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Jihadist Movement has “spirit of internationalism” of International Brigades Says Stop the War Coalition Stalwart.

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Internationalist Solidarity Says Stop the War’s Matt Carr.

The Stop the War Coalition publishes this on Hilary Benn’s speech on their site:

Groundhog day in Syria as Mr Benn goes bombing. Matt Carr.

Much of the article is unexceptional, and barely reasoned, ranting against Bombing Syria by a cut-price Mark Steel.

Mat Carr also does a pratfall.

To evoke the international brigades in support of Cameron’s bombing campaign requires real audacity, bad faith, and an indifference to history or the political realities of the 21st century.   Benn does not even seem to realize that the jihadist movement that ultimately spawned Daesh is far closer to the spirit  of internationalism and solidarity that drove the International Brigades than Cameron’s bombing campaign – except that the international jihad takes the form of solidarity with oppressed Muslims, rather than the working class or the socialist revolution.

This use of the blood of our martyred comrades of the Brigadas Internacionales to promote ‘understanding’ of Daesh is a hallmark of a certain ‘left’, from George Monbiot, other Guardian writers,  to Socialist Worker.

On his Blog Carr states under Interests that “I’m currently researching a book about General Sherman’s March to the Sea during the American Civil War and its influence on American military strategies and tactics.”

I remain unclear what groundhogs are and what they have to do with Syria and the internationalism of the genociders of Daesh.

But General Sherman freed slaves on his march to the sea.

The only walk to the ocean most people would like to witness on Carr’s part is one which ends with him lying ten fathoms deep.

If the Stop the War Coalition publishes this material can they wonder that there are calls to shun them? 

Written by Andrew Coates

December 5, 2015 at 1:50 pm

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  1. Can anyone remember the name of the person who led the STWC until a couple of months ago?

    I think it was a guy with a beard. He’s still a member and is even guest of honour at the STWC’s forthcoming Christmas party, I believe.

    His name is on the tip of my tongue. Anyway, let’s hope he never gets anywhere high up in the Labour movement.


    December 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm

  2. News from the screaming pits of hell …

    Do Green Party members sign up to this? NUT members? About time they were asked I think.

  3. He keeps digging himself deeper into a hole there:

    “To those who say that the International Brigades didn’t throw people off buildings or massacre civilians, well thank you for enlightening me. But jihadists haven’t always done this either, and they didn’t always fight in these wars in order to be able to do so. Not all of them wanted to murder office workers in the twin towers or kill ‘kuffar idolators.”

    Actually, murdering civilians and executing gay people is indeed what jihadists have always done. He might as well be claiming that not all SS personnel who volunteered to serve at Auschwitz wanted to murder Jews.

    This is the depraved Corbynite left. The fact that in addition to spouting shit like the above they try to portray themselves as caring about ‘injustice’ is a putrid joke. They are sick, sadistic creatures. If Corbyn is still Labour leader at the next election, Labour deserves to be smashed at the polls.


    December 5, 2015 at 3:16 pm

  4. It is depraved.

    But as in the first place there is no such ‘thing’ as a “line” of the Corbynite left on these issues – as I have illustrated, and indeed know at first hand, your comment Lamia is so wide of the mark as to be irrelevant.

    Corbyn is also Chair of Liberation, formerly the Movement for Colonial Freedom.

    This is one example of the many articles they have published on Islam:

    “Islam and patriachy Irakli Tusiashvili exposes an oppressive ideology.

    Click to access Vol-56-No.1.pdf

    Note also this.

    “Jeremy Corbyn Defended our Beloved Charlie.”

    Early Day Motion.

    That this House expresses its heartfelt sympathy to the families of those journalists, police and others who were assassinated or injured at the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo on 7 January 2015; notes that this attack took place on press day, thereby increasing the casualty list and the potential damage to press freedom; considers that the perpetrators of this heinous crime must swiftly be brought to justice; further notes the bravery of individuals who work in this field despite many of them coming under attack previously, and that in carrying out their jobs they uphold the invaluable and historical right to free speech and freedom of expression which are both integral elements of democracies; acknowledges the solidarity that is being shown around the world on behalf of the victims and their colleagues in standing together in defence of civil liberties at this time; and offers its support to the NUJ in the UK and the International Federation of Journalists for their work in defending the rights of all journalists to do their job without fear of threats, intimidation and brutal murder.


    If you want a target attack Counterfire and their immediate allies (true, these include some inside the labour movement), whose “revolutionary” leadership of the StWC (Lindsey German), continues the SWP’s line on the ‘revolutionary’ potential within Islamism (once the Islamists are ‘radicalised’ in struggle and a few talks with John Rees….) and the view that the “main enemy” is at Home – “Imperialism”.

    They, and their close allies, are the real motor in the StWC’s inner workings.

    I do not excuse Corbyn for his see-no-evil approach to this organisation but…..

    Counterfire is not part of the Labour Party – and long many this continue.

    Andrew Coates

    December 5, 2015 at 5:22 pm

  5. Andrew,

    you say,

    “But as in the first place there is no such ‘thing’ as a “line” of the Corbynite left on these issues – as I have illustrated, and indeed know at first hand, your comment Lamia is so wide of the mark as to be irrelevant.”

    It is not irrelevant, Andrew. Corbyn is a long-standing member of STWC and indeed was chair of the bloody organisation until recently. He is scheduled as guest of honour at their forthcoming Christmas dinner. He was recently challenged by Labour MPs to condemn STWC’s disgusting ‘reaping the whirlwind’ tweet – he refused.

    Simply pointing to examples of Corbyn elsewhere affirming freedom of speech and the rights of minorities etcetera won’t cut it. It doesn’t account for his disgraceful involvement with and indulgence of STWC.

    “I do not excuse Corbyn for his see-no-evil approach to this organisation but…..”

    In effect that is precisely what you are doing. You and the rest of his supporters are refusing to hold him to account. You are applying the see-no-evil approach to Corbyn himself.

    And I don’t need a lecture on Counterfire et al. I’ve been following the words and deeds of Corbyn’s creepy friends for years.


    December 5, 2015 at 6:17 pm

  6. The author of that filthy article now tries to defend it. Hole … digging:


    Jim Denham

    December 6, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    • He seems rattled.

      “But on the other hand, maybe you don’t want to read or even think about any of this, and you would prefer to regard me as a supporter of fascism or a ‘terrorist sympathiser’. .

      If so, good luck with that. And you might accuse me of ‘disgracing anti-fascists’, but as far as I’m concerned, people who make such dim, dishonest and ignorant observations disgrace themselves.

      Andrew Coates

      December 7, 2015 at 5:29 pm

  7. Idealism, internationalism, and a willingness to fight and die for a cause are in themselves neither a good thing nor a bad thing. It all depends on the cause, surely?


    December 7, 2015 at 10:07 pm

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  9. Worth saying that in the original article Mat Carr says ‘Whether Daesh is fascist or not, it is certainly a savage and dangerous movement which needs to be defeated.”

    I suspect all the sound and fury about this, which was not written or endorsed by Stop the War, is part of the right wing Labour witch-hunt against Corbyn and his supporters. They decided that Momentum and StW were too effective lobbyists against a new imperialist adventure and decided to strike back. Shame that some on the left don’t know when they are being used.

    Stuart King

    December 10, 2015 at 10:12 am

  10. The only walk to the ocean most people would like to witness on Carr’s part is one which ends with him lying ten fathoms deep

    What in the name of God was going through your mind when you saw fit to write like this?


    December 10, 2015 at 4:44 pm

  11. Are you well ejh?

    I hope so.

    Welcome to Tendance Coatesy, a safe space area.

    Stuart, yes point taken, but the SWP and others have made this comparison with the International Brigades before – they received massive criticism.

    StWC if they weren’t so arrogant, could have predicted the reaction.

    Andrew Coates

    December 10, 2015 at 5:54 pm

  12. Once again the left likes to do the rights work for it.The Bullingdon Bullies must be laughing all the way to their next war.Why are you adding to the wichhunt against STW and Corbyn when it is the right wing extremist government bombing people in their own country with arms bought at the expense of the NHS and the disabled? Easy target,wrong “faction” I don’t know you tell me?


    December 12, 2015 at 11:49 am

    • Obviously the fact that this type dragged the memory of the International Brigades into the gutter for his own facile argument means little to you.

      But then I doubt if internationalism means much to people of that stripe in the first place.

      Andrew Coates

      December 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm

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