Jimas Gets Police to Threaten Tendance Coatesy.
I have just had an unpleasant visit from the Police.
Apparently it follows a “complaint” from Ipswich-based Islamists, Jimas.
The details of the complaint were not given.
But they apparently centre on this Blog, posts on this organisation (notably a dossier sent to me by somebody close to Harry’s Place) and, it is claimed “E-Mails.”
What they are specifically I do not know.
It all took place, believe or not, well over a year ago, when and what, they did not see fit to elaborate much upon.
But is was claimed that I had a met a leading member of Jimas – completely untrue – to discuss matters.
It was also said that E-Mails from somebody calling themselves The Usual Suspects, were at issue.
I am not the “Usual Suspects” and it is a slander to suggest that I am.
Equally I repeat: I have never met anybody from Jimas.
As for the political attacks on Jimas (and other Islamists) on the Blog Tendance Coatesy, I wonder if it is the business of Suffolk police to act on these matters.
One could say that this is a case of political intervention way beyond their remit.
As for Jimas, well, rest assured that your attempts to ‘get’ me are not appreciated.
Particularly the claim – wholly made-up – that I ‘met’ with them.
As this Blog has an international readership I wonder what people in other countries think of this.
Tendance Coatesy 
That’s outrageous, Coatesy. I’ll post this on Shiraz.
Rosie
May 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm
They started by naming the Blog, “Tendance Coatesy” and saying, it’s called a “left socialist Blog”.
That began badly.
Andrew Coates
May 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Well look at it this way, if a beautiful young thing of what ever gender is your preference came onto you your ego would rightfully be boosted, so it is that someone sees you as such a political threat that they need the help of the police to deal with such a dangerous revolutionary- see it as a compliment to your political impact.
I get controlled at least twice a year by the gendarmes- mind you they are checking exactly what type of organic herbs I have growing in my green house!
Pete Shield
May 17, 2013 at 3:57 pm
I don’t like coppers in my front room though.
They can see my sprouting herbs (Greek Basil, Tarragon, Sweet Basil, Lemon Basil) through the kitchen door!
Andrew Coates
May 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm
if you have had anything whatsoever to do with the racist and red baiting shit site Harry’s Pace you have everything deserved. fuck you. Hope the coppers chuck you in jail for years you utter fuckwitt.
Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce)
May 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm
I am so glad that Jimas have the Jelly’s support.
FYI, the word that begins with ‘c’ and ends with ‘t’ is banned from this anti-sexist site.
Andrew Coates
May 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Another great contribution to political dialogue from an anonymous source.
Pete Shield
May 17, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Is sweet basil the broad leaf Genovese variety? And I beat you, with Greek, Marseillais, Red Osmin, Citron, Canelle, Small leaf,Thai and Aton, as well as Genovese- but then it is my job
Pete Shield
May 17, 2013 at 5:09 pm
You have indeed won Pete.
I suppose in the Mediterranean climate you can grow them all outdoors as well!
I tell the comrades about your socialist market garden, and they are always envious…
No idea of the sweet variety, I just love it in cooking.
A girlfriend introduced me to Pesto, and I like that as well.
Though have you got Lovage yet?
– ache de montagne or la livèche.
Andrew Coates
May 17, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Yep but small, and I cheat- starting things off in poly tunnel- but this year everything is at least three weeks behind. Mind you everything has to come out of the poly tunnel when the heat sets in, buy cutting a new terrace to put up a shade tunnel next to the plastic one.
Pete Shield
May 17, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Well the language was intemperate but that doesn’t negate the point. If you have anything to do with the racist cess pit Harry’s Place ( recomended by the EDL ) you mustn’t be surprised at a back lash.
richardarmbach
May 17, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Sorry for wandering so far off topic
Church of England Bishop gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
http://hurryupharriet.wordpress.com/the-plank-in-the-bods-own-eye/
richardarmbach
May 17, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Out of interest who were the police, local CID, branch, ordinary plod, did they say what section they belonged to?
Mick Hall
May 17, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Backlash from the police? That seems a little unreasonable. I thought people moaned that they didn’t chase racists enough. Where’s this supposed back lash coming from?
Rosie
May 17, 2013 at 7:03 pm
“It’s called a ‘left socialist blog’.”
Well, “police intelligence” and all that, eh? This one could obviously read (or had someone to do it for him).
I hope for all the best, Andrew. Your blog and Shiraz Socialist are the two I most like to read, it would be a great shame if this would lead the Tendance to vanish from the net.
I note that Dave Osler’s site has today (?) removed all articles and comments – without giving a proper reason. I do hope the reason isn’t similar.
Solidarity.
daggi
May 17, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Also, on the basil question, I think I may give up trying to grow it in Edinburgh. I sowed it inside, by my south facing window, but it’s been such a cold spring that not one seed has germinated.
Rosie
May 17, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Coatesy. The polis do have to follow up complaints that is what we pay them for. However a letter from your lawyer to the chief constable with copies to your political representatives would be appropriate. Just ask for a wriiten explanation for the visit then wait out for a bit until you get a reply.
Jimmy Glesga
May 17, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Must have been very frightening for you. I’d be more worried about Jimas than the local plods, to be honest. I don’t know why Dave has taken his site down, but it may have been something to do with the rampant hatred that was on display there from the ‘usual suspects’. Mr Jelly, how can you be so hurtful to poor Andrew? You wouldn’t like it to happen to you. As for the racist cesspit that is ‘Harry’s Place’, these days I consider it ‘Sarah’s cozy corner’. It seems to me intemperate to describe it as ‘a racist cesspit’. People who say things like that should read around a bit more.
Sue R
May 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm
@ Rosie I kinda agree. But well….
richardarmbach
May 17, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Sometimes the devil has to be fought with the devils own weapons :))
richardarmbach
May 17, 2013 at 10:19 pm
@richardarmbach – so you think the bloggers at Harry’s Place should be harassed by the police? And all other bloggers you disagree with should be as well? You do realise what kind of society that would be where that happened. There have been too many instances of people who have made stupid twitter comments been had up by plod.
Rosie
May 18, 2013 at 9:48 am
Free speech and criticism is fundamental to a democratic society. It will always be attacked in underhanded ways by those who seek to censor that which they do not like.
All of us must defend the right to blog freely!
Howard Fuller
May 18, 2013 at 9:54 am
I have taken David T’s advice and written a record of this ‘visit’.
I spoke to the local Labour councillor for my ward – which also includes the Jimas building – and he has heard absolutely nothing about any ‘complaint’ or indeed anything about Jimas.
And Richard I am so recommended by the EDL that a photo of me has appeared on the fascist Red Watch site as an enemy.
Perhaps you would care to link up with Red Watch.
Andrew Coates
May 18, 2013 at 10:18 am
I would like to thank comrades and friends for their support.
Andrew Coates
May 18, 2013 at 10:26 am
Andrew I wasn’t referring to you. It is HP that is recommended by the EDL. And only a few minutes ago it put up a post by one Harvey Garfield who is a fawning eulogiser of Roberta Moore.
richardarmbach
May 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Anybody interested in the ideological background of JIMAS (as complex as the Fourth International’s various splits), could start with this serious academic account here:
https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/17235/ISIM_21_The_Development_of_British_Salafism.pdf?sequence=1
Jimas emerged from British Salafism, and has since developed its own identity,
“Rise of the “Super Salafis”
The development of British Salafism reached a critical juncture in 1995 when tensions that had been simmering for a year or so between factions inside JIMAS eventually caused the organization to rupture and leave an ideological split that remains to this day. Ever since the first Gulf War in 1991, Salafi scholars have been divided over the presence of US troops in the heart of the Muslim world. The origins of this
division started within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia when a faction of younger scholars began questioning why its rulers had invited the Americans to fight another Muslim country, and worse still, establish military bases. Ideologically they were led by Salman al-Audah and Safar al-Hawali who gained prominence for their rebellious stances against the government. Quintan Wiktorowicz provides a helpful typology in differentiating three main global trends that were identifiable as a result of this emerging intra-Salafi factionalism; purists, politicos, and Jihadis.4
The “purists” remain loyal to the principles of Salafi ‘aqida (creed), and the Saudi state and therefore resisted any attempt to challenge the authority of the rulers. Their priority was peaceful preaching—reform and correction of Muslim belief and ritual practice. The “politicos” agreeing to the importance of the Salafi creed nevertheless argued that the reform manhaj (methodology) had to include a consideration of the complex and changing social-political realities taking place in the world, which need to be addressed in addition to the concerns of the Salafi dawah. The Jihadis, on the other hand were impatient of the status quo, had participated in theatres of conflict like Afghanistan and wanted to take direct action, using violence to affect social change. All three tendencies share the Salafi positions in matters of theology but differ in their analysis of problems in the Muslims world and on how they should be solved.
These shifting currents had direct consequences on the UK Salafi scene as JIMAS and individuals associated with them made direct links with Salafi figures in Saudi Arabia. The split similarly started appearing in Britain with the pro-Saudi government position member, Abdul Wahid, also known as Abu Khadeejah, leading the polarization of positions within the group. He challenged Abu Muntasir and those who were sympathetic to the anti-Saudi government stance, causing a process of fragmentation over a period of one year. Despite attempts by senior figures within the UK Salafi community, the rift became irreconcilable with the Abu Khadeejah faction eventually breaking away and taking a significant number of people with them to form OASIS (Organization of Ahl al Sunnah Islamic Societies), the precursor to Salafi Publications, and associated websites.”
P.5
Andrew Coates
May 18, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Quite, quite Kafkaesque. What next? You turn into a giant dung beetle?
Sue R
May 19, 2013 at 9:32 am
Isn’t Der Process about somebody who never really knows what he’s charged with?
The strangest thing is this claim that I had a meeting with Jimas in Suffolk College.
Now since I was not there I wonder what on earth it was about.
So either somebody out there thinks it worthwhile to claim they are Andrew Coates, or the whole thing is made up.
I suspect that it’s the former, which is even weirder.
Andrew Coates
May 19, 2013 at 10:28 am
Variation on old Jewish joke. A Jimas member is marooned alone on a desert island. A year later he’s rescued and the bloke finding him sees that he’s built a little hut to live in and two mosques. ‘Why two mosques?’, he asks. ‘Well’, says our Jimas frummer, ‘this is the mosque I go to, and that is the one I don’t go to.’
Dr Paul
May 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Tes, ‘The Trial’ in English is about a man who is charged with an offence the nature of which he is never informed about. ‘Metamorphisis’ is about a man who wakes up one mornign to discover he has been transformed into a giant dung beetle. I remember reading that the Czech word for ‘dung beetle’ has some special significance/double meaning, but I forget what.
Dr Paul, good joke.
Sue R
May 19, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Andrew: You met that man at Suffolk College and its all recorded!
Ask
May 20, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Ask, as you do not give a real E-Mail address (irecordeverything@hotmail.co.uk) we can assume this claim is as much a lie as your E-Mail name.
I suggest anybody wishing to prove this shows my picture, available on About Tendance Coatesy on this Blog, to Jimas, and get them to repeat their assertion.
Jimas lists a ‘meeting’ with me (I am informed of this by a member of ISCRE) on 20/5/12. at 10.00 am to 10.45 am in Suffolk College Antrium. http://www.jimas.org/schdl12.htm#may12
I repeat, this is clearly false.
The idea that I would have a special meeting with them – about what I would like to know – is as probable as me having a special meeting with UKIP.
Now it certainly possible that somebody could claim to be me, why is beyond rational explanation though the Usual Suspects appears to be very odd, or that JIMAS are making things up.
Either way the whole story is bizarre.
Utterly bizarre.
The only time I have been in Suffolk College since the new building was opened is when Harriet Harman came here and led a meeting of Labour Listens at the College.
To illustrate how I record such events (and I certainly would have done had I met Jimas) you can see this,
“. Looking for “fresh ideas” Labour figures have travelled the country to events where people are asked, “what do you want?” On the 2nd of March Harriet Harman came to Ipswich. She was at a meeting of a selection of the public to “listen”. Around tables groups of guests wrote down ideas about “what action we should be taking right now”.
Posted March the 11th 2011,
https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/the-big-society-localism-and-the-labour-party/
Andrew Coates
May 21, 2013 at 10:52 am
I presume you have “Ask”‘s IP address?
daggi
May 21, 2013 at 8:49 pm
What is this Daggi?
Andrew Coates
May 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Oh dear…. sorry Mr C but I`m the culprit. I also had the police at mine after Manwar Ali didn`t like what I was uncovering about him and tried to scare me away!! LOL I did wonder why he called me Andrew Coates? My name is Andrew BTW!!
Mr Suspect
June 17, 2015 at 1:20 pm
I`d better add that it was I who met him a the college but I never at any point claimed to you? I can only guess he assumed I was you?
My email address is usualsuspect which is where that came from. I have a couple of voice recordings of our meeting.
Sorry again for his stupid mistake….
Mr Suspect
June 17, 2015 at 1:29 pm