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France, Roma and Travellers (Gens du Voyage): Not The Same Discrimination.

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France’s expulsion of Roma continues to make waves. The state ‘circulaire’ which specially called for the removal of a specified ethnic group has caused outrage across the world. The EU has vividly criticised the action.

Today Sarkozy at the Brussels summit will defend, in a very loud voice, his government’s actions (the idea that his PM François Fillon has any power is rapidly evaporating). Whatever he says, Sarkozy stands condemned and France may have to face European legal sanction (Here).

But before we follow the route of Louise Doughty (here) and call for France’s expulsion from the Union some points should be considered.

That is not just that discrimination against Roma is not a specifically French problem, as the Guardian rightly points out in its Editorial today (Here). It is that a lot of reporting is based on confusions.

Firstly, the racism of the French action  has been roundly attacked…. in France.

Secondly, there is a basic inability to think clearly  here.

There is no general French action against ‘gypsies‘ – as even the Guardian sloppily asserts. There is a distinction between Roma (from Bulgaria, Romania) and ‘gens du voyage‘ (travellers). They are not the same, though obviously there are (often) ethnic links from the same stem.  The former are sedentary, the latter, voyage. In French law the latter term covers anybody who is ‘nomadic’ – including those with no Roma connections at all. Some travellers in the UK have an Irish origin, and some in France have a distant background in those who similarly ‘took to the road’ . 

French state policy towards the the gens du voyage – who are overwhelmingly French – is not so different from that of other countries.

There is an exception. The oddity of a special identity card (at the origin designed for fair and circus workers) this is related to such things access to education and other services, not a repressive move.

French legislation obliges local municipalities to provide sites for travellers (aires). Exactly as in Britain there is often local opposition to them, and many councils find ways not to provide them. Exactly as in Britain there are ‘fears’ by locals, and, exactly as in Britain, a reluctance by councils to provide services (such as education) for travellers. Exactly as in Britain gens du voyage are often expelled from non-authorised camps.

Prejudice, yes, discrimination, yes, explusions, yes.

But this is not the same as the action against Roma. That is shoving people out of the country.

Britain does not have a substanital Roma population. There are a few individuals. Nothing  comparable to France’s. That is a group of people installed in temporary sites resembling third-world ‘shanty-towns’ (bidonvilles).

France, more directly than in other European countries, has decided to deal with this by the worst kind of method: explusion.

Why? Commentators seem to blame not just French governments (who are certainly at  fault) but French republicanism for its failure to deal with the needs of Roma. Apparently centralised states that lay claim to the device of liberty, equality and fraternity are incapable of dealing with ‘diversity’.

Josie Appleton argues in Spiked-on-Line (Here)  that France lacks ‘intermediatory institutions’ to cope with minorities. This means they are not intergrated. The French state  has (therefore?) latched onto ‘Roma’ as symbolic others to attack.

Her knowledge of France and this issue is illustrated by her claim that the gens du voyage in Saint Aignan are…Roma.

One wonders what the wonderful British multicultural state would do with the installation of Roma settlements….

Sarkozy is attacked by his critics on the left  for his anti-republican discrimination. Perhaps the ideas of liberty, equality and fraternity might be better at combatting racism than letting people fester in diversity.

Written by Andrew Coates

September 16, 2010 at 11:28 am

Posted in French Politics, Racism, Sarkozy

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  1. We used to have a houseful of Roma living on the back of us in Wood Green. They used to lay loud rock music until four in the morning. Apparently, they had been living in Hornsey but had been so anti-social the Council was forced to re-house them. So, Andrew, what would you do with deliberately anti-social people? I remember I once a found an Irish traveller defecating on the children’s slide in a playground in Wood Green, despite the fact that the official travellers site with flush toilets was right next to the playground. Is it any wonder that people don’t like it when teh caravans roll in or the longskirted ladies appear to beg on the streets.

    Sue R

    September 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    • The French state’s actions are aimed at a specific ethnic group – not at individuals who commit the acts you describe.

      I am well aware of these kind of problems.

      Andrew Coates

      September 17, 2010 at 11:20 am

  2. A very good post Andrew. Particularly the point about the widespread-ness of these hatreds in Europe, not least here in Blighty. As, dare I say, Sue R’s example shows, which extrapolates from one Irish Traveller and one “Roma” family to the whole lot of em.

    But I think that it is important to think about the ways in which anti-Roma, anti-Gypsy and anti-Traveller hatreds are interwoven and feed each other (along with, in this country, anti-Irish and anti-working class prejudices). The fact that the mainstream press often blur the lines has the effect of strengthening all of these hatreds, and weaving them tightly together.

    Bob

    September 23, 2010 at 4:40 pm

  3. Also, I’m not sure I’d be so quick to completely dismiss the “Republican” trope. You’re right to say it is simplistic, but it is (isn’t it?) the case that the French right has justified the expulsions partly by reference of an alleged failure to integrate on behalf of the Roma? That is, they use a Republican/integrationist cover for their racism?

    Bob

    September 23, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    • Bob, yes they ‘use’ this trope.

      That’s the word.

      The French Right uses a much wider range of ‘floating signifiers’ than the British one (though I notice the Liberal Democrats now try a bit of ‘anti-capitalasm’.) Chriac at one time (70s) said he wanted to create a French Labour Party!

      But I think in this case the theme is about ‘security‘ (public order) and not integration.

      Andrew Coates

      September 26, 2010 at 10:41 am


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