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Posadist International Publishes full run of Red Flag, Child Bearing in Space and Flying Saucers, The Process of Matter and Energy, Science and Socialism.

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Quatrième Internationale Posadiste

 

The Comrades of the Posadist International have rendered a great service to the International workers’ movement and to scientific researchers by putting the full run of their esteemed journal Red Flag on the Web.

Hat tips to Dave B and Jon A.

Great Britain – Red Flag

We can only salute them with the words of their first issue in the UK:

ON THE SURE ROAD TO SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!

“We must embark upon the a new line: the line of class against class of clear and unfettered leadership of the class struggle, of the presentation of an alternative line, the programme of Marxism-Leninism-Trotskyism to the British working class.”

Red Flag. Volume 1 No 1.

July August 1963.

These are valuable documents for serious scientific students of dialectics:

Several texts unpublished

Several texts of J. POSADAS hitherto unpublished or recently re-published :

– War preparations and the role of the Socialist countries, 23.3.1981
– War is not the end of the world: It is an atomic charco, *20.9.1972
– Flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science and Socialism, 26.6.1968
– Childbearing in space, the confidence of humanity and Socialism, 12.8.1978.

* The word ‘charco’ used by the author in its Argentinian version of Spanish has been left untranslated here for lack of a sufficiently evocative English world. The context of the author’s writings points to a traumatic quagmire, of a short duration. Editorial from Posadist Cdes.

Childbearing in space, the confidence of humanity and Socialism

J Posadas 12 August 1978

 

The Soviets are setting out to experiment with the gestation of a child in space.

This could be one of the forms that love will take in the future. It marks a very important step in the field of reproduction and in the field of science. Only a Workers State can actually do this. This initiative proves that the Soviet Workers State is not strictly determined by bureaucracy, for all the bureaucracy which it has. The bureaucracy still moves the tail -end of the Workers State, but not its limbs .

 Having now justified its existence , and demonstrated its superiority , the Workers State moves its own limbs

The superiority of the Workers State is no longer confined to its economic form….

 

“The existence of flying saucers and of beings coming to Earth is a phenomenon admissible by the dialectical conception of history. The most immediate conclusion that we are able to draw is that these beings, if they exist, possess a social organisation superior to our own. Since their appearance is not bellicose or aggressive, this means that they have no need for war, and that they come to Earth with no conquering aim.”

 

” We admit to the existence of extra -terrestrials as a conclusion of dialectical thought. The latter fills us with the certainty that we can master any existing phenomenon, and that we shall not be caught off-guard. Matters of extra- terrestrials and flying saucers do not put the dialectical method in any doubt whatsoever. Indeed they confirm it! The dialectical method gets reconfirmed at every turn.”

 

“We consider that extra-terrestrials and flying saucers can exist precisely because of what the dialectics teaches us about the organisation of matter. Matter can take infinite forms. For example, there is no reason why reproduction should always involve coupling. There may be self-reproduction, as is the case for the amoeba. And why shouldn’t this become the case for the human being in the future?”

 

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 Coatesite solidarity with the Posadist International’s scientific research.

UFOs: Marxists Make Meeting.

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Ready for Historic Meeting.

Ready for Historic Meeting

La vie peut exister sur d’autres planètes, dans d’autres systèmes solaires, dans d’autres galaxies ou d’autres univers.

Life can exist on other planets, in other solar systems, in other galaxies, and other universes.

Il faut faire appel aux êtres des autres planètes, lorsqu’ils viennent, à intervenir et collaborer avec les habitants de la terre pour supprimer la misère.

We have to call on beings from other planets, while they come, to intervene and work with the inhabitants of the earth to abolish poverty and destitution.

Il faut s’unir à eux, qui semblent plus puissants que les êtres humains, afin qu’ils viennent aider à résoudre les problèmes de la terre.

We have to unite with them, they who seem more powerful than humans, so that they can come and help us  solve our terrestrial problems.

J Posadas: Les soucoupes volantes, le processus de la matière et de l’énergie, la science, la lutte de classes et revolutionnaire et le future socialiste de l’humanité. (Here)

First Contact, they say, is a harrowing experience.

But the Tendance has been there.

To Rendelsham Forest, where the United Galactic Commune made their tentative attempt to get in touch.

In  December 1980 they unfortunately ran into an imperialist spy network, aka, US forces.

Here is what happened (the ‘Halt Memorandum’)

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Scared, they say, by this abortive attempt, our comrades fled.

They have only just returned.

More information will be posted shortly.


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December 17, 2012 at 12:16 pm

Flying Saucers and Socialism: J.Posadas.

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Welcome Comrades!

It has long struck the Tendance that if UFOs exist then those inside them are  bound to be more advanced than, say, the Tory leadership of Suffolk County Council.

A brave Trotskyist, J. Posadas, suggested that they come from socialist planets.

Fortean Times says,

By Matt Salusbury
August 2003

We think of UFO cults, typically, as being naïve, fancy-dress Californian affairs, scary religious Doomsday sects, or even neo-Nazi groups convinced that flying saucers operate from a secret Antarctic base. But there was one UFO cult at the opposite end of the political spectrum: a Trotskyite UFO cult.

They called themselves the Posadists after their founder Juan R Posadas and, like many UFO cults, they bore a fierce loyalty to their “dear master”.1 They believed that close encounters were evidence of superior socialist civilisations from Earth’s future. Their bizarre belief in flying saucers was not channelled to them by some tackily-named space entity but “theoretically informed” by Marx and Trotsky, and was for them a logical extension of Marxist dialectical materialism. Posadas wrote: “We will travel to planets millions of light years away under a Socialist society.”

Their founder was a leading light of Latin American Trotskyism, one of a select group running the Fourth International (see ‘Posadism for Beginners’ side bar) after Leon Trotsky’s death. Alongside their esoteric texts on “flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science, the revolutionary class struggle and the Socialist future of humanity,” 2 they also preached more orthodox Marxism and strove tirelessly to bring about world revolution. Posadist Fourth International affiliates worked to organise trade unions, often operating clandestinely under dictatorships. Some ‘comrades’ even lost their lives in the struggle.

This idea, widly ridiculed by the usual crew of sceptics and know-nothings, has been confirmed by many Doctor Who Episodes. Not to mention the American military cover-up of the Rendelsham Forest Incident.

We have visited Rendelsham Forest and can say that from a materialist and dialectical standpoint it is an ideal landing point for vistors from an advanced communist civilisation.

Is it not a short drive to the Tendance’s HQ?

We note with regret that Posadas’s seminal work on the subject in not available on the Marxist Internet Achive.

As a service to the movement we publish it – in the only version we can access – in French.

As he says, “Il faut faire appel aux êtres des autres planètes, lorsqu’ils viennent, à intervenir et collaborer avec les habitants de la terre pour supprimer la misère.”

We should call out to other Beings on Other Planets, when they come, to intervene and co-operate with the Earth’s inhabitants to end our wretchedness.

J Posadas: Les soucoupes volantes, le processus de la matière et de l’énergie, la science, la lutte de classes et revolutionnaire et le future socialiste de l’humanité. (Here)

26 juin 1968

La vie peut exister sur d’autres planètes, dans d’autres systèmes solaires, dans d’autres galaxies ou d’autres univers.

Life can exist on other planets, in other solar systems, in other galaxies, and other universes.

Le passage de la matière, de l’état inorganique à l’état organique a pu s’y développer autrement que sur terre, de sorte que l’énergie y soit utilisée de façon supérieure. Ici, c’est à peine si on sait utiliser l’énergie du pétrole et, de façon très limitée, l’énergie atomique dont nous disposons. Eux, par contre, peuvent être en train d’utiliser toute l’énergie existant dans la matière. Ils peuvent utiliser toute l’énergie que l’on ne sait pas encore employer sur la terre, et la transformer en lumière. Il se peut que la matière se soit organisée autrement sur d’autres systèmes planétaires ou galaxies, dans des combinaisons infinies et sous des formes totalement différentes de celles que nous connaissons sur terre. Nous ne nous imaginons pas comment cela peut être, mais nous imaginons très bien qu’il peut y avoir une organisation de l’énergie infiniment supérieure à celle que nous connaissons ici. En Union Soviétique, on a découvert un rayon infiniment plus rapide que la lumière, qui est quelquechose de tout à fait nouveau.

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Written by Andrew Coates

September 23, 2011 at 11:05 am