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Piers Corbyn charged with causing a nuisance at Guy’s Hospital vaccination clinic.

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When will they lock up this renegade turned fascist?

People say one should dismiss this renegade former International Marxist Group member, squatters’ leader and – later – Labour councillor.

Yet, if he has mental health issues, he seems free to be a public nuisance, despite numerous court cases

The type is using his Freedom Pass to roam London and cause misery.

“Piers Corbyn has been charged with causing a nuisance at a vaccination clinic at St Guy’s Hospital in central London.

ITV.

The 74-year-old activist was arrested by Metropolitan Police officers after an incident at a clinic on the site.

He was charged with another man, David Burridge, with causing a nuisance or disturbance on NHS premises without reasonable excuse, following Tuesday’s incident.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “David Burridge, 44, of Argyle Avenue, Hounslow, and Piers Corbyn, 74, of East Street, Southwark, have been charged with causing a nuisance or disturbance on NHS premises without reasonable excuse.

“They were charged on Wednesday and bailed to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Thursday 3 February.

“Police were called at 15.15hrs on Tuesday 18 January to Guy’s Hospital following reports of people staging a protest. Officers attended and arrested two men who were later charged as above.”

Written by Andrew Coates

January 22, 2022 at 4:52 pm

Posted in Animal Liberation, Fascism

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  1. Reblogged this on A Riverside View and commented:
    Comrade Coates is right that people say one should dismiss this Internationalk Marxist, former Labour councillor. The problem is, he is being dismised. He pays the bail, pays the fines and continues being as bloody nuisance. If he doesn;t want to be vaccinated then that’s the duzzy old fuels choice. But being a nuisance at vaccine clinics iscriminal and denies people the right to be vaccinated by their choice. Most people would agree that he should be locked up but the debate is where he should be locked up. Belmarsh or Broadmoor. I’ve started a poll on Twitter. https://twitter.com/KevinTAlgar/status/1484927690926960641

    Kevin Algar

    January 22, 2022 at 5:36 pm

  2. This man is clearly a danger to public health and needs to be taken into protective custody for the duration of the Pandemic. We are entering an age of pandemics (due to the pressure on the environment by burgeoning population size, internal migration patterns in the developing world and the ease of international travel). As such, aspects of human rights legislation needs to be modified to allow citizens who are a danger to public health to be interned without trial (but with legal overwatch and representation) for the duration of the pandemic. In a country like the UK this could involve a few 100,000 people. It’s a tough choice but is needed to protect health and safety and shorten the duration of the pandemic (which will obviously lead to the release of these dissidents).

    IainF

    January 22, 2022 at 6:11 pm

    • That would be a very serious move indeed:

      Why may I be detained?
      If you have, or are thought to have:

      a mental illness which needs assessment or treatment which is sufficiently serious that it is necessary for
      a. your health or safety, or
      b. for the protection of other people
      you need to be in hospital to have the assessment or treatment
      you are unable or unwilling to agree to admission.
      If you are on a section 3, that is for treatment, then the treatment you need must be available at the hospital in which you’re detained.

      https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-health/treatments-and-wellbeing/being-sectioned

      Andrew Coates

      January 22, 2022 at 9:41 pm

  3. It’s annoying that since a lot of people have started noticing mental health in the last few years it being something that was ignored previously it’s become fashionable to tag it on as an ‘explanation’ for unacceptable behaviour. Being a dipstick is not a treatable mental health condition the last time I looked.

    Dave

    January 22, 2022 at 11:35 pm

  4. More significant than the antics of Piers Corbyn, yesterday, was the fact that several thousand anti-vaxxers who work in the NHS, and their supporters, marched in London to oppose vaccination of NHS staff. Given the specific duty of care that such workers have to the vulnerable, and the role they have in promoting rational thought as against anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories, I am surprised that it has not provoked an immediate response.

    Perhaps its because for many of those that have rightly attacked the anti-vaxxers over previous months, they face something of a moral dilemma when it comes to criticising NHS workers engaging in such actions and behaviour, as they have fallen into a reverence of the NHS itself as though it were some model of Socialism and moral virtue, rather than what it is – a highly bureaucratic, paternalistic, state-capitalist monstrosity geared to the needs of capital.

    And, of course, for those who see some benefit in having the measures in response to the pandemic drag on for as long as possible, either for opportunist reasons of being able to attack the government, for crude Economistic reasons of believing that anything that harms the capitalist economy is somehow good for the cause of Socialism and other such nonsense, it makes sense not to have NHS workers being vaccinated.

    Boffy

    January 23, 2022 at 12:11 pm

    • Just to be straight, it wasn’t “several thousand anti-vaxxers who work in the NS’ at that rally. Press reports (see the Daily Mail; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10430205/NHS-staff-join-anti-vaxxers-London-Newcastle-Manchester-protests-against-Covid-jabs.html) say the rally was ‘in the hundreds’ Including the inevitable Piers C) and the numbers of NHS workers (or people claiming to be NHS Workers) were in the high dozens. More interestingly, NHS 100K, an anti-vaxx group saying the ‘represent these workers” claimed on its website (according to the Mail)” to ask its tens of thousands of followers to join the Workers of England Union”, which is run by leaders of the Far-Right English Democrats party.

      The union claims it is not affiliated with any political party, but its leader is Stephen Morris, who is also national party secretary of the English Democrats. The union’s legal adviser is Robin Tilbrook, leader, founder and chairman of English Democrats.

      Mr Tilbrook welcomed former BNP members into his party and has met the English Defence League and Britain First in the past. In December 2020 he appeared on an online video channel run by a neo-Nazi named Mark Collett, once leader of the BNP youth wing. Mr Collet is leader of the Hard-Right group Patriotic Alternative.

      NHS100k said it was ‘not aw

      `David Walsh

      January 23, 2022 at 2:47 pm

      • That is a real spot.

        Andrew Coates

        January 23, 2022 at 5:37 pm

      • Never heard of them, me mask.

        alexanderscottish

        January 23, 2022 at 10:58 pm

      • Whatever the actual number of people on, or composition of the march, its clear that there are thousands of NHS workers who are refusing to get vaccinated, and indeed its that fact that is being used to try to blackmail the government into deferring its requirement for them to get vaccinated, or else face a large-scale reduction in available staff. However, given that there are already thousands of such workers currently absent from the NHS because of the existing pingdemic nonsense, as well as some who are actually ill as a result of infection, not having been vaccinated, it seems quite reasonable indeed necessary that the NHS should press ahead with that requirement.

        Whether someone manifests their “anti-vaxx” mentality by joining a march, or, as is clearly the case with thousands of those NHS workers, by refusing even at this stage to get vaccinated, to the point of being prepared to lose their job, seems to make little difference. However, there seems to be a rather hypocritic difference of response by many of those that have criticised the anti-vaxxers in the past, compared to their failure to criticise those thousands of anti-vaxxers in the NHS who are refusing to get vaccinated – no matter how many of them went on the demo or not – and that seems to stem from the traditional blind spot that sections of the left have when it comes to the NHS – or indeed any other state capitalist industry (actually much like the way certain sections of the Left continue to see Putin’s Russia as somehow “Left”) – and so treat it as though it were something not to be criticised (a similar thing occurs with the state’s propaganda arm, i.e. the BBC).

        My point is that an anti-vaxxer is an anti-vaxxer, and indeed those employed in the NHS are worse than those not, because we should expect them, both to be a defender of science against conspiracy theories, and we should expect them to have a sense of their duty of care.

        Boffy

        January 24, 2022 at 2:01 pm

  5. I have a rudimentary knowledge of the immune system but I believe that once you have had an infection, the antibodies stay in your system. I don’t see why people who have had COVID should not be excused the fax. It may be the case that the mutability of the virus is the problem, and I understand that. For example, some people prefer to catch measles rather than be inoculated against it. The hospital consultant up North who refused the fax had previously suffered from a bout of COVID, Djokovich argued he had had the virus and thus did not need it either.

    Sue r

    January 23, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    • Antibodies remain in the system for some time, but decline, as the body does not require them, and it would be inefficient for it to continue to produce them. The fact that antibody levels decline has been used by those that want to persist with lockdowns, to claim that herd immunity (whether natural or from vaccination) is not enough. However, that shows a complete lack of understanding of how immunity works, as Dr. Clive Dix described recently. Immunity works because the body has the capacity to produce antibodies as and when required, if it is again infected by the given pathogen, or something very similar to it, as well as producing white blood cells that can kill off the pathogen quickly, before it is able to multiply rapidly inside the body. It is that multiplication that causes illness, as the virus attacks the cells of the body.

      So, yes, its quite true that those that have such immunity like Jokovich do not need to be vaccinated – particularly if they are under 60 and healthy. The trouble is that to know who has such immunity testing for it is required, and instead all of the time and money has been wasted on PCR and lateral flow tests to test for infection, rather than immunity!

      Boffy

      January 23, 2022 at 1:40 pm

      • At this stage the word immunity is quite subjective.
        Do you mean the portion of people vaccinated or not that unknown as yet dont get infected despite direct exposure. Do you the portion of people that no matter getting infected, dont show signs and function physically as normal. Do you mean the ones despite being infected, getting ill but dont need hospital treatment and aren’t at risk of dying. Do you mean those that despite being infected, possibly hospitalized dont go on to die. There is a few more but you get my point.

        Doug

        January 24, 2022 at 1:31 pm

        • People who are immune still get infected. Immune simply means their immune system is able to respond to the infection by preventing the given pathogen from multiplying significantly.

          Boffy

          January 24, 2022 at 1:48 pm

          • I get that. Im just asking at what bar/s you consider that should apply when testing and recording.

            Doug

            January 24, 2022 at 4:26 pm

            • The question makes no sense. You have an immune response or you don’t.

              Boffy

              January 24, 2022 at 4:54 pm

          • Ok you mean immune as in having certain antibodies that prevent the infection infecting rather than immune to payload or various aspects of it despite contraction.
            Thanks again Boffy.

            Doug

            January 24, 2022 at 6:48 pm

  6. Putting aside SueR and Boffy discussion on antibodies, its staggering how some people think we should lock people up for the smallest thing be it prison or MH institute.
    Apart from the fact its very expensive, those that make such a rash claim forget the important part which is being proportional.

    “But being a nuisance at vaccine clinics is criminal and denies people the right to be vaccinated by their choice”. Absurd comment as the only instance that is true is for people wishing to work for the NHS and care industry. Furthermore considering we know vaccination does not protect a person from either contracting the infection nor transmitting it that it is unarguably more a nuisance to have to prove one is vaccinated in order to enter a nightclub or football match say when we look at the demographics.

    If we are to lock up a person for a very very mild crime in the name of covid then why not people not wearing a mask, not being 2m always, unvaccinated even.

    In reference to an institute, you have to be a serious threat you yourself and or others. This would be seriously stretching that point.

    I implore in the name of common sense to stop talking such foolish things along with stop giving this person airtime and column unless we are to debate his points regarding why a person shouldn’t become vaccinated, vaccination shouldn’t be mandated and the likes.

    Doug

    January 24, 2022 at 12:25 pm

  7. Ah, finally! The first dawning of realization that national socialists and international socialists are the same thing. This is the first step in breaking the chains of reality control and doublethink and emerging into the clear light of libertarian freedom from the coercion required by altruist self-deception. Congratulations!

    oiltranslator

    January 28, 2022 at 3:06 pm


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