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Nowhere Party, Northern Independence Party, Wiped Out in Hartlepool By-Election.

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Somewhere Party Gets Nowhere.

There are many things to say about the election results today. This is one of them.

David Goodhart famously separated the British population into ‘somewhere’ and ‘anywhere’ people. Th supporter of the Red-Brown Full Brexit campaign distinguished between “Somewhere – rooted in a specific place or community, usually a small town or in the countryside, socially conservative, often less educated – and those who could come from Anywhere: footloose, often urban, socially liberal and university educated. He cites polling evidence to show that Somewheres make up roughly half the population, with Anywheres accounting for 20% to 25% and the rest classified as “Inbetweeners”. (see: The Road to Somewhere: The Populist Revolt and the Future of Politics 2017).

Amongst the fawning coverage by some of the left of the Northern Independence Party there was a common thread: the ‘real’ Northerners of Hartlepool were being given a choice. Vote for Starmer’s Party or the genuine Northerner Thelma Walker.

Alas it was not to be…

  • Jill Mortimer (Conservative) – 15,529
  • Paul Williams (Labour) – 8,589
  • Sam Lee (Independent) – 2,904
  • Claire Martin (Heritage) – 468
  • John Prescott (Reform UK) – 368
  • Rachel Featherstone (Green) – 358
  • Andrew Hagon (Liberal Democrat) – 349
  • Thelma Walker (Independent) – 250
  • Chris Killick – 248
  • Hilton Dawson (North East) – 163
  • W. Ralph Ward- Jackson (Independent) – 157
  • Gemma Evans (Women’s Equality) – 140
  • Adam Gaines (Independent) – 126
  • The Incredible Flying Brick (Monster Raving Looney) – 108
  • David Bettney (SDP) – 104
  • Steve Jack (Freedom Alliance) – 72

A renowned Left wing intellectual and Corbyn stalwart comments;

Backing also comes from the More Borders Left Unity Party.

What a load of Whippets!

Written by Andrew Coates

May 7, 2021 at 1:42 pm

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  1. I think there’s plenty to criticise the NIP for, but why are you – a “left socialist” – pleased about their poor performance? It’s not as if you have a Labourist alternative now that sir Keith has made the party unelectable.


    May 7, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    • If the Brexit Party hadn’t split the right vote in 2019 Labour would have lost then. That’s what we’re still recovering from. Love the calling Starmer ‘Keith’ soooo funny😏


      May 8, 2021 at 9:06 am

  2. Starmer’s performance was abysmal. The notable point is the turnout. In 2019 it was 41,000 (about the same as 2017), but in 2021 has fallen to just 30,000, down 25%, or about 10,000 votes. That is 3,000 votes more than the fall in Labour’s vote. The combined Tory/Brexit Party vote in 2019, was 22,000, or 7,000 votes (50%) more than the current Tory vote.

    So, the Tory win, in a seat that was previously owned by the eminently pro-EU Peter Mandelson, cannot be put down to Labour Brexit voters shifting to the Tories, as some in the media are suggesting, with a similar spin being put on votes elsewhere. In fact, the fall in the Brexit vote by 50% shows quite the opposite. The Tories appear to have won, because a huge chunk of Labour voters simply sat on their hands, given Starmer’s collapse into Brexit nationalism, and failure to argue even for the politics he claimed were his foundation.

    Its time for Starmer to go, in the same way his reactionary parochialism over football clubs and fans, leads to football managers being sacked whenever there is a bad performance. Time for a campaign against all the Brexit nationalism and jingoism that Starmer has been pursuing, and for international socialists to step forward with a bold, clear progressive agenda.


    May 7, 2021 at 2:38 pm

  3. As I said in a previous post “8th place after a near fascist. 250 votes – 2 ahead of a former convicted sex criminal. And that after enough over hyped web traffic activity from the soi-disant left to keep a whole internet server station busy for weeks. Far, far bigger things than that of course, but it did give a little bit of vicarious satisfaction to a dreadful result overall.” Going back to t’web what’s fascinating is, is – in a part of the UK that includes Hartlepool – how quiet many once noisy people now are. True, there are the few Corbynite true believers who are simply boilerplating some slogans together in place of any considered analysis, but many ex members who saw themselves as a dissident vanguard seem – well, a bit rueful. I think they now (in their hearts) see where this misplaced political narcissism has led. I’ve simply said in response, think on, welcome back and get stuck in – and I have not had the abuse or piling on I would have expected up to today. The job of the serious left is now to keep their side of such a plea, treat everyone with kindness and courtesy, and re-united move on. At local CLP level (if not in the stratosphere of LP functionaries) such an approach has allies.

    David Walsh

    May 7, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    • And oddly enough switching back from this thread to Facebook, this exchange following a post of mine (other names deleted) which show the movement of flow; David Walsh. There are far, far deeper argument here that merely who a national leader is. Class, de-industrialization, the new age demographic of areas like Teesside and East Cleveland where younger people have upped and left. That’s just the terrain. And the answers ? Again, messy and deep. Too deep for a space limited FB or twitter exchange. One for a long chat over a few beers now the pubs are opening again. What say ye ?
      · Reply · 14 m
      A P David Walsh A sound idea! I suggest that L.B (who has provided the platform for this discussion) be present. Who else shall be in the gang of six?
      · Reply · 2 m
      David Walsh
      Not bothered as long as they don’t try and argue by cliched slogan and address the core social and economic issue !

      David Walsh

      May 7, 2021 at 3:29 pm

  4. You mean Twitter sh*t posting and edgy memes didn’t cut through on the doorsteps of Hartlepool ?
    Still, there is the constant fund raising for hypothetical future law suits and all that delicious Merch to sell. You know, the important stuff.
    Seriously, this sounds like a huge grift for Southern English based, middle class professional “Northerners”.
    At least hopefully they’ll be a bit more sheepish on Social media now with less of the “You Rattled Bro’ ?!” type replies.


    May 7, 2021 at 4:14 pm

  5. Andrew Coates

    May 7, 2021 at 6:05 pm

  6. I think, by the criteria Goodhart set out, I’m an Inbetweener. I don’t live in a big city and (through no fault of my own) I have no qualifications, but socially I’m aligned towards the “Anywhere” values. But I think a lot of that division is fraudulent, anyway: most “Somewhere” people are listening to (mostly older, I’d imagine) music that originated abroad, and not even the good stuff, rather than the Yetties or the Houghton Weavers.


    May 7, 2021 at 9:06 pm

    • I agree, it’s one of made up divisions, like the one used in France between La France périphérique and des grandes métropoles « mondialisées et gentrifiées”

      Note this:

      Andrew Coates

      May 7, 2021 at 10:03 pm

  7. It’s pop sociology really. It ignores the question of allocation of resources and culture. Incomers arrive with a different way of doing things based on cultures thousands of miles away. English people emigrated to the New World, taking their culture with them, that upset the autochrones. White middle-class apologetic snobbery if you ask me.

    Sue r

    May 8, 2021 at 10:02 am

  8. The clear message is a big rise in Green votes at Labour’s expense letting in Tories. Yet, the dim-witted conservative populists leading Labour can only see doubling down on their reactionary politics. They talk about listening to voters. Well they did that, which led them to adopt those reactionary nationalist positions. The hard Right Peter Kyle came on to talk about the need to listen, and to praise Britain’s history and heritage. In other words, he wants to go full on racist apologist of British colonialism to appease the racists and bigots that backed Brexit, and all the other jingoism that Starmer has collapsed into.

    The other day I was watching Michael Portillo’s Great British Railway Journeys, in which he interviewed some former Jewish refugees who had come on the Kinder transport in the 1930’s. They spoke of the hostility they faced from British people on their arrival, in a Britain that was marked by high levels of anti-Semitism, as was much of Europe. The British people did not want them here, they said, claiming that they were and looked different to British people. Indeed, only relatively small numbers of children were allowed in, and adults were excluded unless they were of some significance to Britain.

    The kind of listening that the populist Labour politicians now talk about, would, at that time, have led them to oppose the entry of Jewish refugees, to appease a bigoted British public, and would make them guilty of a more visceral anti-Semitism than anything they have accused Jeremy Corbyn of being responsible for.


    May 8, 2021 at 10:10 am

  9. Meanwhile, from the Land of the Blind, I came across this one liner from a guy whose name I’ll reproduce for the sidebar of shame’

    Phil Weaving. ‘The people of Hartlepool just told labour what they think of their attacks on Socialists.”

    David Walsh

    May 8, 2021 at 10:45 am

  10. Comparing the electoral performance of Labour under Sir Keir with the performance of a gaggle of bizarre sects, vanity projects and headcases is comforting but ultimately pointless. The important comparison is between the electoral performance of Labour under Sir Keir and the performance of the most corrupt, administratively incompetent and politically irresponsible Tory administration in living memory. There the comparisons are less comforting, and the questions which arise are more pressing.


    May 8, 2021 at 10:54 am

    • That is a because I was waiting till we had the full results Francis.

      Look at the time we got our central Ipswich result, 9 p.m.

      Andrew Coates

      May 8, 2021 at 11:29 am

  11. Always good to see Coates’ impeccable analytical skills being employed to good effect in addressing the really substantive issues. No acknowledgement of his mate, the ultimate Nowhere man – Keith Starmer and his right-wing cabal’s strategic and tactical blunders over the last year.

    Maybe that’s a political hangover too heavy for even Coates to address? Never mind: others will.

    Paul Simon

    May 8, 2021 at 11:10 am

    • We await the eagerly anticipated results of the CPB’s campaign in Suffolk, though the gumshoes tell us we shall not know the crucial vote in Bury St Edmunds till Monday.

      Andrew Coates

      May 8, 2021 at 11:28 am

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