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Tony Greenstein Wins Leading Role in Labour in Exile Network (LIEN).

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Links to Exile.

Labour in Exile Network held a Virtual Founding Conference last Saturday.

They have finally got round to posting about it (thanks Newshound David)

While claiming that “over two hundred people actively participated” at the event, votes cast on motions were just over 100.

The new LIEN steering group, as elected at conference

 

  1. Paul Collins
  2. Terry Deans
  3. Esther Giles
  4. Tony Greenstein
  5. Stan Keable
  6. Chris Knight
  7. Faraz Khan
  8. Wanda Lozinska
  9. Becky Massey
  10. Norman Thomas
  11. Neil Todd
  12. Christine Tongue
  13. Tina Werkmann

As expected the committee is made up of members of Labour Left Alliance, Labour Grassroots, present and former supporters of Labour Party Marxists (Weekly Worker, Communist Party of Great Britain, Provisional Central Committee) and wishers of Good Luck to Chris Williamson,

The Tony Greenstein Party made a strong showing.

Here is Greenstein’s  South Coast neighbour and comrade:

Labour official accused of anti-Semitic tweets

Ms Massey is chairwoman of Hove, Brunswick and Adelaide branch of the party and is standing for election to treasurer of the Hove constituency party.

Delegates due to attend the Sunday’s meeting were told by the party’s regional organiser at 4pm on Saturday the venue was unavailable.

Comments by Ms Massey on Twitter included “Interesting insight into how Israel has Tory and Labour parties under control” and “How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party’s anti-Semitism crisis [link]”.

The Argus.

As expected ‘Zionism’ plays a big part in their political concerns:

Racism and antisemitism group

 

Convenor: Tony Greenstein

Anti-Semitism is the main weapon that the Right have been using for the past 5+ years against the Left. The vehicle that they have chosen is the IHRA but there are indications that the Zionists are suffering a backlash because of the way they have used it.

It is noteworthy that both the Jewish Chronicle and John Mann have condemned the attempt to use the IHRA to no platform Ken Loach recently. Also there is news that an alternative definition, the Jerusalem Declaration, is about to be launched in Israel.

We have to react to these events and also set the agenda.  In particular we have to be merciless in our attack on Labour’s racist leader Herr Starmer but also to make it clear that its about time that the Labour left came to terms with their failures to respond to the fake anti-Semitism campaign which led to Corbyn’s demise.

How we do these things and more will be for this group to decide.

 

Proposal for an Anti-Zionist Action (AZA) Group

 

Coordinator: Neil Todd

 

We know that the witch-hunt is driven locally a network of Zionist trolls, often associated with the so-called “Labour Against Anti-Semitism” (LAAS) and other Zionist lobby groups, who spend much of their time trawling the social media accounts of party members, publicly smearing them as “anti-Semites” and manufacturing the fake anti-Semitism complaints which are used to get members investigated and suspended. We know also that many of these individuals are linked on Facebook and Twitter and regularly communicate. 

 

The main aims of AZA would be:

 

(1) to gain knowledge of the identity, location, activities and associations, of individual Zionist trolls;

 

(2) to use the knowledge so-gained for the purpose of (i) taking action against the individuals and (ii) warning other members to take care of those individuals. 

 

One way in which we can build knowledge is by means of a questionnaire, similar to the WAG questionnaire, which would go out to all members of the LIEN network.  One such possible action could be to make complaints against them using genuine incidences of anti-Semitism, e.g. the attacks they often make against non-Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews. Another such possible action could be to publish news items about the activities of certain key individuals, such as Jonny Morris in Plymouth. 

 

I am aware that there are already in existence local groups of members who have come together to counter the likes of Jonny Morris. I am sure that there will be others around the country, e.g. in Brighton, where we now know that Morris was also involved in attempting to block Chris Williamson from speaking. The AZAG would serve to bring these already existing groups and strengthen them by pooling knowledge and resources. 

 

 

 

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  1. Reblogged this on Tory Britain! .

    A6er

    March 2, 2021 at 12:29 pm

  2. The only Johnny Morris I know compered Animal Magic and waxed lyrcal about Squirrel Nutkin – they can’t be related, surely ?

    david walsh

    March 2, 2021 at 1:31 pm

    • He is a Plymouth councillor. One of those elected, Terry Deans, was chair of Plymouth Momentum. I informed Momentum & local parties years ago of Deans’ posting of antisemitic conspiracy theories. I broke links with Plymouth Momentum when he posted a video from SyrianPatriotGirl claiming the revolt against Assad was the result of his refusal to allow Rothschild Central bank. He was only recently expelled. Johnny Morris has been kind & supportive of me, so I’ll take a Progress/Labour First supporting Labour councillor any day over a supposed Left winger who is allied with Assad apologists & antisemitism.

      Lynton

      March 2, 2021 at 2:51 pm

  3. Just in case there are psychology students here who want to explore the concept of the psychoanalytic term “projection”, here is a little exercise:

    1. Read the “main aims of AZA” carefully.
    2. Ask yourself why people who feel personally chased by a zionist conspiracy build groups to hunt down “certain key people like Jonny Morris in Plymouth”.
    3. Guess how it happened that an unknown guy living in Plymouth seems to be the most important target to attack an allegedly worldwide threat.
    4. Try to explain this by using your knowledge of defense mechanisms.

    jm

    March 2, 2021 at 11:34 pm

    • Most people think Greenstein is bonkers.

      My favourite anti-Zionist story is this one:

      “It all began with a Facebook post by Asghar Bukhari, a founding member of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK (MPAC) – a UK pressure group which works to counter Islamophobia and Zionism, among other aims. He said his home was burgled, only a single shoe was stolen, and claimed it was a deliberate tactic of intimidation by Zionists.

      “I dont know how they got in, but they didn’t break in – the only thing they took was one shoe. Now think about that, the only thing they took was a single shoe – they left one shoe behind to let me know someone had been there,” he said in a Facebook post which began “ARE ZIONISTS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME”.

      Despite the alleged theft, Bukhari told BBC Trending he didn’t contact the police after the incident: “I really couldn’t see what they would have done.” When asked what the motivation for the act was, he cited a new book that said Russian agents are using “psychological” techniques – such as moving furniture – against activists, journalists and Western diplomats – and speculated that his opponents were using similar techniques against him.”

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-33137794

      Andrew Coates

      March 3, 2021 at 10:41 am

      • Funny story.

        But in the case I produced a misunderstanding: I didn’t want to say Greenstein (or that Neil Todd, who seems to be the “certain key people” for that part) is/are bonkers. The nice thing about psychoanalysis is that it explains pathological states of mind that make people suffer in the same way as normality. And as anti-zionism is something people don’t want to get rid of (in comparison to other obsessive-compulsive thoughts, nobody goes to the doctor because of them) and who are agreeable to many people, it seems to me that they are part of the defense mechanisms that make up normality for them. You can see this because they build a political organisation on it, and not a support group. That is not something critical in itself. Just think of all the things you do “to stay sane”. What makes it a conspiracy theory is that those mechanisms go completely unreflected, without reality check.

        jm

        March 3, 2021 at 11:36 am

  4. I once read that Tony Greenstein is the son of an Orthodox rabbi. Very Oepidal.

    Sue R

    March 4, 2021 at 10:35 am

    • I don’t get that. What is oedipal about having an orthodox rabbi as a father? I mean yes, it is, but that is true with every father of every other kind. You don’t have “oedipus complex” (I guess that is what you are referring to) like you have a disease like lets say the flu, just your whole life long. Instead it is the basic psychic conflict everybody’s psyche is involved in. At least in patriarchal capitalist society. So every explanation of anyones behavior has to take this into account, but it explains nothing in particular. But maybe this discussion is a little bit off topic here.

      jm

      March 4, 2021 at 11:59 am

  5. Isn’t the point about Oedipus that he killed his father? (I am not suggesting for one moment he desires his mother!) Doesn’t each generation of males (cicmales) seek to supplant the previous one?

    Sue r

    March 4, 2021 at 3:54 pm

    • Yes and no. It is the point in the legend, but the point of freuds theory is that the wish to do so needs to be suppressed and constitutes a conflict which is resolved by identifying with the father and internalizing his imago. Which splits the psyche and constitutes the basic it, ego, supergo structure of it. This (ok, this is the very very short version) constitutes binary sexuality as we know it (or better: keep it unconscious in most of its parts), so it is never passing and not pathological. And the following generations (not only males, but in a patriarchal society only males are allowed to succeed) don’t seek to supplant in the first place. It is the opposite. They are doomed to supplant in order to become and individual being. It explains why people become like their parents not only despite, but in the process of revolting against them.

      Your formulation has the logical problem that those who seek to supplant need to become male (cismale) identified in the first place. Psychoanalysis (at least the orthodox one) doesn’t presuppose this. It thinks of the psyche of the earlier stages of the child of being something called polymorphic perverse (don’t know, if this is the correct translation) without sex or gender distinctions.

      jm

      March 4, 2021 at 5:07 pm

  6. If he grew up with the strictures of strict judaism, a nd it is a limiting religion, just as strict Islam or Christian ity or Hinduism, then I do not regard it as surprising that he has a reaction to what he regards as the political expression of judaism.

    Sue r

    March 4, 2021 at 4:00 pm


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