Nick Griffin Celebrates “English Resistance” at Resist and Act for Freedom Rally: “I Choose the Opposite Side to these People on All Matters, Jonathan Reynolds MP.
“I choose the opposite side to these people, on all matters.” (Photo, SE)
Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. Lab/Co-Op MP for Stalybridge, Hyde, Mossley, Longdendale & Dukinfield.
Here is an indication, if we have got this right, of the Times report during the week that David Icke and Piers Corbyn are now the moderates of the Covid Denial anti-Vax movement, fighting the extremist splitters who organised today’s rally.
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“GO Local #Build26Sep on wknd 19/20 ignore FakeNews* +diversions
(*Piers +DavidIcke are in TrafSq 26th NOT 19th).”
It would be funny, except, that it is not.
As in:
Nick Griffin
@NickGriffinBU
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Met police show today that they don’t only run from Islamist marches and blm riots. They’re now equal opportunities cowards! Great to see – the #English resistance to the #plandemic lockdown.
And there was this:
And here.
Back to Griffin:
And here:
Gut wrenching – look at the QAnon posters on the top right of this post.
There is also this:
And this lot:
Is this a fair summing up?
This is next week:
Tendance Coatesy 
That’s why it’s important to call people out when they’re spouting this nonsense. Good for John Reynolds.
trev
September 19, 2020 at 8:34 pm
My immediate reaction.
Now there is this:
🚨Global Breaking. 32 arrested after ‘hostile and violent’ outbreaks at London anti-vax protest: Trafalgar Square was cleared of protesters after 5pm
Andrew Coates
September 19, 2020 at 8:54 pm
If this continues Tobias Ellwood may well get his way! Boris will deploy the military.
trev
September 19, 2020 at 9:19 pm
Some predict they will end up like this: there was an old Quatermass mini-series on Talking Pictures not long ago The Quatermass Conclusion
“Quatermass is intrigued by the behaviour of a group of hippie-like youngsters known as the Planet People, who are travelling to various neolithic sites (about 5,000 years old) from where they believe they will be transported to a better life on another planet. Quatermass suspects Hettie has joined them. Along with Kapp’s wife, Claire (Barbara Kellerman), Quatermass and Kapp follow a group of Planet People to a stone circle of megaliths, Ringstone Round. Fearing for their safety, they leave, just in time to look back and see the Planet People assembled inside the circle suddenly bathed in a brilliantly bright light, after which they have disappeared, leaving only a residue of white dust behind.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_(TV_serial)…
Andrew Coates
September 19, 2020 at 9:56 pm
That rings a bell, I must have seen it years ago. I’ll watch out for the repeat. They’ve shown Quatermass and the Pit about 10 times in last couple of years.
trev
September 19, 2020 at 10:02 pm
Not sure I see it as a Glastonbury gathering for anti-vaxxers. Most of the pics, esp the ITV footage, tell me its the same old fash leeching on another populist discontent. The “Anti-5G” guy wearing a Samsung Mobile T shirt is a hoot, though.
david walsh
September 19, 2020 at 11:04 pm
Andrew Coates
September 20, 2020 at 7:24 am
Andrew Coates
September 20, 2020 at 10:07 am
‘Transparency’? Where’s that? As for dangerous idiocy; being conditioned by shop assistants barely out of school to stand on spots.. to name but one snippet of life under Covid.
Philip Blake (@PhilipB75698013)
September 21, 2020 at 5:27 pm
It’s a mixture of decent folk shell-shocked yet with their eyes open and extremists who like to protest about anything at all. The cure is a basic cognition of one’s environment and experiences. In much the same way it’s crashingly obvious all those fossil fuel fumes of the last 5 decades had to be going somewhere (our atmosphere – surprise surprise), you have to ask what impact the alleged Covid has actually had on your health and the health of anyone you know in comparison with assorted viral issues you might have had all of your life prior. My personal answer is ‘fuck all’, an that’s all I can trust in this mess I’m afraid.
Philip Blake (@PhilipB75698013)
September 21, 2020 at 5:39 pm
“I Choose the Opposite Side to these People on All Matters”. Unfortunately, that’s the kind of “my enemies enemy is my friend” mentality that has guided the Left for too long, and led people on the basis of “anti-capitalism” to line up with all kinds of petty-bourgeois reactionaries, and on the basis of “anti-imperialism” led them to align with Hezbollah, Iran’s Mullahs and so on. It means boycotting your own politics, and making your own agenda defined simply in terms of being the negative of whatever someone else is saying, putting a minus sign wherever they put a plus sign, as Trotsky described it.
Its what means large sections of the labour movement have simply lost the ability to think for themselves to develop independent thought and working-class politics, and instead see their role as having to align themselves to some other camp or another. Its an indication of just how degenerated and pathetic the labour movement and socialism has become. Rather than celebrating that miserable approach we should condemn it, and demand that socialist “learn to Think”, and develop their own independent working class politics.
Boffy
September 20, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Of course, you’re correct about the “anti imperialist” left’s asinine record of siding with all sorts of reactionaries on the basis of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” (cases in point: the SWP, the Stop the war Coalition, etc, etc) … but in the case of pro-Trump conspiracy theorists, I for one have no objection to operating on that general principle.
Jim Denham
September 20, 2020 at 10:00 pm
That is not to deny that there were once historical strains of similar irrationality in British left politics. An earlier time studying late Victorian socialist, trade union and “progressive” magazines and ephemera gave me a vivid picture if a movement that was quite often anti-vaccination (as it was seen to be imposed by upper class medical professionals on working people), certainly with a belief in spiritualism (seen as a logical extension of “scientific” Darwinism) via Labour Spiritualist Halls and the beginnings of what were the Theosophist movement and often an acceptance of what today we would see as eugenicist views. I recall History Workshop once devoting an edition of HWJ to this area.)
david walsh
September 21, 2020 at 9:18 am
And expanding on this theme, an article from the BMJ. Coatesy may be interested to now that Ipswich, as well as places like Leicester, Henley-on-Thames and some mining villages in Northumberland had anti vaccination riots in the mid 1850’s in protest at the passing of the 1853 pioneer vaccination act. See (paste in browser bar) a piece from the BMJ from 2002 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1123944/ as well as an article from the Atlantic Magazine https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/07/victorian-anti-vaccinators-personal-belief-exemption/398321/
david walsh
September 21, 2020 at 12:30 pm
This is a side of the past I’ve not seen in local history books, heard of in talks, or even from people I know who do research into it. Believe me, given that Ipswich is very, very, old * – here is the ‘Potteries’ area, where clay digging and ‘Ipswich Ware’ was manufactured during the 7th and 8th century – most such things are normally mentioned by at least one person who’s really into local history.
http://www.ipswich-lettering.co.uk/potteries.html
Thanks, if that’s the word….
Andrew Coates
September 21, 2020 at 1:34 pm
I suspect if the riots were immediately after the enactment of the 1853 bill, then your local papers would have carried news of them. A list of your local papers of the time is given in this column.http://www.pipwright.com/Newspapers_in_Suffolk_1851_1875.htm
One story (in summary) reads “MILDENHALL – refusal of vaccination – Thomas Payne of Lakenheath appeared at Mildenhall petty sessions under a summons for refusing to have his child vaccinated. He was fined 5 shillings. ” Bury Post: August 1854 So the riots might have been around that time. I guess your library may have a micro reader of some of the papers of that day.
david walsh
September 21, 2020 at 2:23 pm
There’s a whole book, in French, about early socialists with mad religious beliefs right up to the end of the 19th century and start of the 20th when there was a significant influence of Mesmerism, Swedenborg, occultism, spiritualism, homeopathy, Theosophy – Madame Blavatsky, on groups of left-leaning people, a kind of new age of its time.
Philippe Muray, Le xixe siècle à travers les âges, 1999.
I have a copy….
Andrew Coates
September 21, 2020 at 12:49 pm
Jim,
I don’t think that was the approach Trotsky had in mind in Learn to Think, and quite rightly too. I thought you were part of a group that now supports the Third Camp, whereby you are supposed to do exactly what Trotsky suggested, in Learn to Think. That is to determine your politics on the basis of the fact and your own analysis of them.
Of course, in reality, the so called Third Camp has never done that. On the one hand we have some Third Campers like the SWP that fall into that category of the idiot “anti-imperialists”, and who align with various reactionaries on the basis purely of their “anti-imperialism”, whilst we have the other Third Campists like the AWL who side with another group of reactionaries in the camp of “democratic imperialism” in order to oppose those other reactionaries. As Trotsky pointed out it is the manifestation of moral politics as against Marxism, and inevitably leads to such organisations aligning with one camp rather than another as against forming their own independent working-class position.
So, I take it from what you have said then that given the attitude of Trump to Israel, and Iran, you will now be becoming an opponent of Israel and defender of Iran, in order to follow your “general principle”!!!!
Boffy
September 21, 2020 at 1:02 pm
Andrew Coates
September 21, 2020 at 4:04 pm
Of course, part of the problem has been that for a very long time the WHO’s advice was that people should NOT wear masks, that they were counter-productive and so on, and their line was parroted by some advisors in Britain and elsewhere.
Trump and the conspiracy theory nuts that support him are clearly lunatics, but as this case illustrates, they are not entirely wrong in criticising the WHO, which has been pretty abysmal throughout the whole pandemic, as indeed it has been on some previous occasions. Had the WHO advised people to wear masks from the beginning, rather than telling them not to, then thousands of lives could have been saved. Similarly, its now becoming clear that, as I said months ago, the country that has had the best approach has been Sweden, although it too made mistakes early on in not locking down and isolating its care homes and hospitals.
Sweden essentially stopped all new deaths from COVID weeks ago. For the whole of September it has had only around 30 deaths, equal to less than 2 per day. It does not face a second wave as lockdowns are relaxed for the simple reason that it never locked down to begin with. It already has a much better per capita morality rate than many countries in Europe and globally, and that relative outperformance will become more marked as these other countries that have not built up herd immunity suffer a new round of deaths, as they also have continued to focus on preventing infections rather than preventing death and serious illness by isolating the vulnerable 20% of their populations. Yet, the WHO joined in the criticism of Sweden for not toeing the established line, and those epidemiologists like Professor Sunetra Gupta who said from the beginning that lockdowns would be counter-productive, and that it was necessary to develop large-scale herd immunity were vilified. But, Gupta and those who made that argument have been proved right.
But, of course, the mindless strategy of not thinking for yourself, but determining your position by simply taking the opposite position to whatever Trump or Johnson or their acolytes put forward prevents any such rational thinking. What a pathetic bunch of drones the modern Left has become.
Boffy
September 22, 2020 at 10:47 am
The problem is that the human psyche is twofold: on the one hand capable of rational and scientfic thought, on the other emotional and intuitive. The mind is a compromise between those two, encouraged by cultural and social conditions. It’s dialectical, innit?
Sue r
September 21, 2020 at 11:32 am