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As Internationalist Left Campaigns for Corbyn’s Option of a Second Brexit Vote, Brexit Bolsheviks Plan Monster Rally.

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Anti-Brexit campaigners unfurl a banner on Westminster bridge on November 15, 2018 in front of the Houses of Parliament in London. - British Prime Minister Theresa May will give a press conference this afternoon amid intense criticism from lawmakers over her Brexit deal. (Photo by Adrian DENNIS / AFP)ADRIAN DENNIS/AFP/Getty Images

Internationalist Left Mobilises Against Brexit while Brexit Bolsevicks Plan Monster Meeting Next Week.

Corbyn Confirms Support For ‘People’s Vote’ Campaign Remaining On The Table

In an email to Labour Party members this evening, Jeremy Corbyn confirmed that Labour supports the campaign for another public vote on Brexit “remaining on the table” if a general election is not possible.

The Labour leader’s message reads: “If we cannot get a General Election, in line with our conference policy, we will support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote.”

Although this is simply a reiteration of existing party policy, ‘people’s vote’ campaigners have expressed concerns about Corbyn’s recent comments on the efforts to secure another referendum on Brexit.

At Labour conference in September, the composite motion agreed by the party pledged to “support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote” should it not be able to secure a general election.

But last week Corbyn gave an interview to Der Spiegel in which he said Brexit could not be stopped, and later told Channel 4 that he wouldn’t agree with Jo Johnson’s call for another referendum.

Interviewed in a ‘Reach Fest’ event on Wednesday night, Corbyn was asked whether he would back a public vote and replied: “That’s not a priority”.

If Theresa May’s deal is voted down and the opposition cannot force a general election, it is hoped by some pro-EU Labour groups that the party will get behind the ‘people’s vote’ campaign as a way of breaking the deadlock.

There may then be some debate over whether to exclude the option of ‘no deal’, which Remainers would argue could be dangerous, and whether to include the option to remain in the EU, which may cause others to worry about the optics of re-running the 2016 referendum.

From the E-Mail.

As I said in Parliament earlier today, people around the country will be feeling anxious about the industries they work in, the jobs they hold and the stability of this country.

We do not accept that the choice is between the government’s deal and ‘no deal’. We will work across Parliament to stop a ‘no deal’ outcome. Labour has set out our alternative plan for a sensible Brexit that would work for all of our nations and regions, bring Parliament and the country together, support jobs and our economy and guarantee rights, standards and protections.

If Parliament votes down this shambolic Tory deal — as seems likely — this will represent a loss of confidence in the government. In those circumstances the best outcome for the country is an immediate General Election that can sweep the Tories from power and deliver the Labour government this country desperately needs.

If we cannot get a General Election, in line with our conference policy, we will support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote.

Jeremy Corbyn
Leader of the Labour Party

On   Labour List  Sienna further comments,

The question is what happens after Theresa May’s deal is voted down the first time. We know forcing a general election is highly improbable. Does she go back, renegotiate with the EU, have it pass in the Commons on the second go after economic chaos has put enough fear into MPs? Or will a ‘people’s vote’ initiative be backed by Labour and somehow gain a majority in the House? Corbyn has seemed reluctant to give the campaign his backing, worrying groups such as Another Europe is Possible, but he confirmed in an email last night to members that Labour “will support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote”. Reluctant though the leadership and many MPs may be, another public vote may become the only way of breaking the deadlock.

The Brexit Bolsheviks are already mobilising against Internationalism.

The sight of people who claim to be on the left promoting National sovereignty and a ‘People’s Brexit’ as the cornerstone of Labour strategy, and claiming to be socialists, when their politics are those of Spiked and Brendan O’Neill reminds one of these lines from Finton O’Toole.

“Who, in other words, are “the people” to whom power is supposedly being returned? Here we find the other thing that dare not speak its name: English nationalism.”

How Brexit Broke Up Britain

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 16, 2018 at 1:00 pm

19 Responses

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  1. And you want Corbyn as leader? He’s not even clever enough to be duplicitous. He’s stuck in the seventies and has never grown up. The movement he has seen created around him (not by him) is a monster. Anti-Semitism, bullying the worst kind of politics. In a crisis he would fail. Not fit for purpose, but then the Labour Party is almost no more. The new party is something else. Something worse.

    Howard Fuller

    November 16, 2018 at 2:46 pm

  2. Good old Corbyn, say I.

    He’ll keep the option of not leaving the EU on the table.

    Andrew Coates

    November 16, 2018 at 6:16 pm

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    Andrew Coates

    November 17, 2018 at 12:20 am

  4. “FREE MOVEMENT FOR ALL” You couldn’t make it up, well, you could, but. “ANOTHER EUROPE IS POSSIBLE” is the strap-line of George Soro’s Open Society. Again, you couldn’t make it up… Anyone know
    who is paying for these huge placards?

    Xena

    November 17, 2018 at 12:30 am

  5. What’s it with ‘People’s Vote’? The people have already had a vote. They have already had a chance to demonstrate their forensic analysis of a complex issue and astute ability to reach a sensible decision. Why not just say second referendum? People’s is straight out of Chairman Mao’s handbook.

    Wang Dung

    November 17, 2018 at 12:40 am

  6. What form are they proposing the second ballot takes? REMAIN or LEAVE? or REMAIN in the customs union and LEAVE the single market? Or would LEAVE mean LEAVE? A really hard Brexit. Disengaging with the EU completely with no (in)formal ‘arrangements/agreements whatsoever? If you have travelled between Poland and Germany pre-Poland joining the EU you would have witnessed miles of miles of trucks waiting for days, weeks to cross the border. Are we going to wait for weeks for our Spanish tomatoes as the truck waits for weeks in a queue at Dover? Any suggesting of abruptly cutting of contact with the EU is patent nonsense. It was a Common Market we joined way back in 1974. We have been trading ‘frictionlessly’ with with Europe for forty years. And if we don’t trade with Europe who are we going to trade with? The USA, Korea, Argentina, Russia.. ?

    There was a German bloke on the news yesterday who said that the solution to this Brexit nonsense was to simply give the UK control of her own borders – the elephant in the room that we don’t like to talk about. He also said that he believes that Jean-Claude Juncker secretly wants the UK to leave the UK and that he also wants to see the UK punished pour encourager les autres in case any other European nation is getting ideas about leaving Europe.

    Think it would be best to ignore those clowns in the mask on London bridge setting off smoke bombs.

    Annie Ceed

    November 17, 2018 at 1:05 am

  7. Actually, the case for a further vote (call it what you will) should be pretty straightforward for anyone with experience of basic trade unionism:

    1/ the members instruct you to negotiate a deal with the bosses

    2/ You negotiate the best deal you can

    3/ You report back to the members, telling them this is the best deal realistically achievable

    4/ The members vote on whether or not they want to accept the deal

    It’s called elementary democracy.

    Jim Denham

    November 17, 2018 at 1:53 am

  8. This is not wage-bargaining, Jim this is Brexit. A ‘deal’ shouldn’t even be on the table. On 23rd June 2016 the UK voted to LEAVE the European Union. In this context leave means: to depart from permanently; quit: If the UK electorate are too stupid to understand what leave means how can they be trusted to digest the contents of the 585 page + protocols + addendums ‘deal’ and come to a right and proper decision on which to yet again cast their vote? Or should we not be expecting HM Gov to be carrying out the wishes of the electorate? – and that is that at 11pm UK time on 28 March 2019 we sever all ties with the EU, all it laws, rules, regulations, unions, courts, institutions…. No ‘deals’. Over and out of the EU.

    J L Bernier

    November 17, 2018 at 3:04 am

  9. The Brexit debacle has also brought into focus why we have a Parliament in the first place – to force a debate. Government by the people is not a good idea. If HM Gov the electorate would be out again clueless to what any ‘deal’ entail. Nobody is going to read that document any more than they would read reams of legislation or scrutinise Bills before they vote ‘Aye’ or ‘No’ on their smartphone app. No, they will just do ‘wot the Scum’ tells them to do. Brexit is a taster of ‘Government by the people’ and oh, what a disaster it would be.

    J L Bernier

    November 17, 2018 at 3:15 am

  10. The Brexit debacle has also brought into focus why we have a Parliament in the first place – to force a debate. Government by the people is not a good idea. If HM Gov called a second Brexit referendum the electorate would be out again clueless to what any ‘deal’ entail. Nobody is going to read that document any more than they would read reams of legislation or scrutinise Bills before they vote ‘Aye’ or ‘No’ on their smartphone app. No, they will just do ‘wot the Scum’ tells them to do. Brexit is a taster of ‘Government by the people’ and oh, what a disaster it would be.

    J L Bernier

    November 17, 2018 at 3:16 am

  11. According to ‘Another Europe’ “Brexit is a hard right Tory project”. This is patent nonsense. Under pressure from various quarters Cameron called a referendum which didn’t go the way he expected – he promptly resigned. Now we are left with the consequences of Cameron’s misjudgement and what the electorate voted for. Absolutely nothing to do with a ‘hard right Tory project’.

    J L Bernier

    November 17, 2018 at 3:32 am

  12. @Xena Can’t see them paying for those huge banners and smoke-bombs out of their Giros 😉

    Toxteth

    November 17, 2018 at 10:27 am

  13. *Giro – what some of still like to call benefit money 😉

    Toxteth

    November 17, 2018 at 10:28 am

  14. Giros – redolent of the early 1980’s, parkas and Bony M, the Alternative Economic Strategy and ABBA, And, your flyer also exhibits a little bit of left nuance (only known to the initiated) – TBC means sticking up a big name to add cred (knowing that the chances of them actually turning up are next to impossible – and “in a personal capacity” meaning that the organisation linked to you would not endorse that point of view in a million Sundays.

    David Walsh

    November 17, 2018 at 11:23 am

  15. Brexit has created a series of insoluble dilemmas, political, economic and social for the British state. Her response is to continue indefinitely to wrestle, ever more dispiritingly, with these dilemmas. It may be, however, that the manifestly unsatisfactory nature of the compromises she has concluded will provide a moment of stock-taking in the whole Brexit process.

    Already voices are being raised arguing that the Prime Minister’s negotiated package is worse than remaining in the EU. From there it is only a short intellectual step to understanding that any negotiated package for Brexit, from this Prime Minister or any other, is much worse than remaining in the EU. It is not inevitable that the UK will continue punishing itself in this way on the basis of a narrow referendum victory won over two years ago on the basis of lies, delusion and a limited franchise. Mrs. May’s likely difficulty in constructing a majority for her WA could well prove a salutary shock to the self-absorbed British Parliamentary system. In an unguarded utterance earlier this week the Prime Minister accepted that “no Brexit” was one alternative to accepting her proposals. She may find it more difficult than she would wish to put that particular genie back in the bottle again . A People’s Vote with an option to “remain” becomes every day a more plausible way out of the impasse.

    BREXIT: THE BEGINNING OF THE END?

    Brendan Donnelly
    16th November 2018
    http://fedtrust.co.uk/brexit-the-beginning-of-the-end/

    Andrew Coates

    November 17, 2018 at 11:55 am

  16. @ David – can’t think of any organisations/individuals who would want to be associated with the letting off of smoke-bombs on Westminster Bridge.

    Val

    November 17, 2018 at 12:08 pm

  17. You have to feel sorry for May. It was war criminal ® ™ © Tony Blair who did the ‘ground-work’ for Brexit. Cameron called the referendum. Brexit is not a problem of May’s making.

    Julie R

    November 17, 2018 at 12:24 pm

  18. Meanwhile:

    Andrew Coates

    November 17, 2018 at 1:25 pm

  19. Is it ok to feel sorry for Theresa May if you’re left-wing?

    Well, sort of.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/it-ok-feel-sorry-theresa-may-if-you-re-left-wing

    The New Statesman

    November 17, 2018 at 3:50 pm


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