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Trade Unionists Against the EU – “Former” Leading Communist Party of Britain Member worked with Arron Banks

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Worked Hand in Hand with Hard Right Millionaire Arron Banks.

Trade Unionists Against the EU was a key front for the Brexit left, supported by, amongt others, the Morning Star and the Socialist Party.

It is a strange beast, as today’s Unherd outpouring from their national Organiser Paul Embery illustrates,

…for those of us on the more traditional Left, the concept of family, far from being antithetical to our socialism, is the very essence of it. It is within the family unit that we first learn about obligation, sacrifice, loyalty, compassion and solidarity. It is one place where the common good will almost always transcend self-interest, where you are in every sense your brother’s keeper. What better example is there of socialism in action?

That’s why we socialists should defend the family unit against all-comers. And that means resisting not just the cultural war against it, but the economic one too. Austerity, low wages and poverty have all weakened family ties, as has the explosion in the number of families in which both parents go out to work, often not through choice but financial necessity.

..

Confucius had it right 2,500 years ago when he said, “When there is harmony in the home, there is order in the nation.”

Why won’t our spineless politicians stand up for the family?

In a more traditional vein Trade Unionists Against the EU made much of their imaginary support amongst the European left.

It is true that some on the Continental  left – generally known as ‘sovereigntists’ and others who could be called anglophobes – resented the UK and some may have backed Brexit.

I recall one of the leading figures of TUAEU,  Enrico Tortolano, speaking loudly in public about his internationalism, and citing in evidence the ‘millions’ of Greeks who has stated that they wished the ‘Leave’ campaign would win.

Yet, as we known, the Greeks actually voted in a pro-EU left government, for all its faults, led by Alexis Tsipras.

The only concrete evidence of this pan-European  Lexit alliance,  came from a, they claimed at the time, a mass Paris Rally. In reality this was a hook up with the French trotskyist splinter (too small to stand in the most recent Presidential elections), the Parti ouvrier indépendant démocratique, (POID One of its best known members, Gérard Schivardi,was the last Presidential candidate (standing on a platform of backing for local Mayors’ power)  from this current, in 2007. He got  0,34 % of the vote.

Is this an “internationalist” movement?

POID is known for its support for reasserting  French National sovereignty against the European Union. The EU, they assert, has deprived Parliaments of their sovereign will, and reduced them to a subsidiary role to the EU  which imposes its will directly on nations. (“Parlements privés de toute velléité de souveraineté étant réduit à un rôle subsidiaire, les décisions de l’Union européenne s’imposent directement à toutes les nations. La Tribune des travailleurs).

That particular jamboree (2017) can be viewed here: LE GRAND MEETING INTERNATIONALISTE DE PARIS PORTE DE CHARENTON’ en 20 minutes et version sous-titrée:

 

More recently Trade Unionists Against the EU has developed a good rapport with the Spiked-on-Line linked Sovereigntist, grouping, the Full Brexit, which includes Murdoch’s Man in Brussels “The founding statement of a group called ‘The Full Brexit’. Good to see the statement signed by some well-known figures in the labour and trade union movement.” (5th of July): Trade Unionists Against the EU

Yesterday John Rogan  published:

Lexit and Brexit collaboration-what did the Morning Star know?

One long standing Lexiter is leading Communist Party of Britain member Brian Denny (also of the RMT union who backed Brexit). He has written extensively on the need to get out on the CPB’s website (“Trade Unionists need to take the lead against the EU”14 Aug 2015) and was a co-ordinator for NO2EU (Lexit electoral alliance), organiser for the (“Eurosceptic Labour Movement”) Campaign Against Euro-Federalism (CAEF) and a founder of Trade Unionists Against the EU (TUAEU).

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Denny’s contributions also take up some space (see here)  on the Trade Unionists Against the EU site.

Rogan continues,

Denny (CPB) and Banks (Ukip) worked together to maximise the Leave vote. Here’s an extract from Arron Banks’s “Bad Boys of Brexit” (28 Jan 2016) where Banks saw Labour voters as key to winning and the need to fund an anti — TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) leaflet produced by Trade Unionists Against the EU (TUAEU).

Here is some evidence of the collaboration between the leading Communist and the far-right Brexiteer.

Rogan Notes,

Arron Banks is currently under investigation by the Electoral Commission for funding of Trade Unionists Against the EU (£54,000) and other organisations. Some more background to this can be found here and here.

So far we have heard nothing from those accused of collaboration with the hard right.

Brian Denny, meanwhile, regularly retweets Spiked-on-Line….

 

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  1. Andrew, it is an elegant thesis that you suggest in this posting. It suffers, however from one crippling defect. Brian Denny is not a member of the Communist Party and has not been for some years. The parting of the ways came precisely over the insistence of the Communist Party that its members do not campaign with Tories or appear with them in the campaign to vote no to the bosses’ EU

    Nick Wright

    July 18, 2018 at 2:51 pm

  2. Damn Nick! He thought he’d found the “smoking gun”.
    But given that the public voted “leave” I fail to see what the point of it all is.

    Steven Johnston

    July 18, 2018 at 4:01 pm

  3. That’s as may be(and I have edited the post in line with this) but the Morning Star regularly publishes articles by the Arron Banks funded Trade Unionists Against the EU and I do not notice any reluctance on the CPB’s part to cooperate with their old comrade in this body at least.

    Lurching ever further to the right and to war
    The European Union is becoming more militaristic and aggressive. It is even more essential that socialists accelerate Britain’s withdrawal from it, argues DOUG NICHOLLS
    Doug Nicholls is chair of Trade Unionists Against the European Union.
    February 2018: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/lurching-ever-further-right-and-war

    June 23rd 2018. DOUG NICHOLLS welcomes the passing of the EU Withdrawal Bill as a decisive moment in history. The EU’s on the back foot now, let’s press the advantage. Doug Nicholls is chair of Trade Unionists Against the EU.

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/%C2%A0eus-back-foot-now-lets-press-advantage

    Andrew Coates

    July 18, 2018 at 4:07 pm

  4. Whether Denny (or come to that, Doug Nichols or Alex Gordon) is actually a card-carrying CPB member is not really the point: he clearly reflects their reactionary “socialism in one Country” approach, and (as Andrew has pointed out) the M SDtar regularly carries reactionary nationalist articles from TUAEU people, without pointing out the campaign’s financial and political links to Banks and the other crooks and racists of Leave.EU

    Jim Denham

    July 18, 2018 at 4:20 pm

  5. …and the public voted “leave”. So get over it.

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 8:55 am

  6. http://socialiststudies.org.uk/article%20eublast.shtml

    From this article, discussing the first referendum in 1975

    For the first time in British History – a referendum. A device often used in other countries; Norway voted in such a manner to keep out. This vote largely favoured by the anti-marketeers in the Labour Party, will resolve the decision of the Government. Mr. Wilson, when recommending the terms said “This is one of the most important parliamentary occasions in our history”. Not so. The British people are only being asked to endorse the continuation of capitalism, in or out, and they do this at every General election. As yet, they continue to give this endorsement.

    To remain in or get out has produced a weird assortment of protagonists. IN – Mr Wilson and some members of his cabinet ally themselves with Mr. Heath, Maudling, the Liberal party, the Confederation of British Industry, the farmers’ Union and generally speaking “Big Business”. OUT – this includes an even weirder assortment. The Communist Party, Enoch Powell, Benn, Foot, Shore, The National Front and the TUC. A selection of the Ins and outs is illuminating.

    IN. “If we came out we would end as a country with nowhere to go” (Lord Pritchard, President, Institute of Directors. THE TIMES 18th March 1975).

    OUT. “I am really warning people in the West Midlands that the capacity of British Ministers to help industry to re-equip is going to be gravely affected by membership, and this is one of the reasons I hope the British people will vote to withdraw.” (Wedgwood Benn, speaking at Birmingham. THE GUARDIAN 22nd March 1975).

    OUT. He told the French Chamber of Commerce in London that the TUC believed Britain should not be in a Market of which competition was the guiding principle. (Len Murray, Gen. Sec. TUC. EVENING STANDARD 7th March 1975). (Perhaps Mr. Murray can enlighten us as what is the “guiding principle” under which British capitalism works at the moment?).

    IN. “I would not be involved in the Government if it has to take Britain out of the Common Market”. Shirley Williams, Secretary for Prices and Consumer Protection. (THE GUARDIAN 13th March 1975).

    OUT. Pop Concerts, talks to Women’s Institute tea parties and trade union meetings and a galaxy of prominent speakers including playwright John Osborne, author Kingsley Amis and scientist Kit Pedlar will be used in the fight to pull Britain out of Europe. (Get Britain Out Referendum Campaign. EVENING STANDARD 20th March 1975). (Pardon us if we are not altogether overwhelmed by the galaxy of prominent speakers.)

    IN. Mobilise for a Socialist Europe. (Labour Committee for Europe. Advert. THE GUARDIAN 17th February 1975). (Hardly we feel why the CBI wants to keep in).

    And so we could go on and on – one boring reason after another. How you will vote is your concern. The real issue that the workers should tackle is Common Market or Common Ownership.

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 9:23 am

  7. The mistress of spin and propaganda Auntie Beeb is at again. Since when did objecting to animal cruelty become (far) right-wing?

    Have the BBC learned nothing from the (Sir) Cliff Richard debacle?

    “Some right-wing parties in Europe have campaigned to have halal and kosher slaughter banned.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44881029

    BBC Watch

    July 19, 2018 at 10:24 am

  8. Thank you to Nick Wright for stating that Brian Denny “is not a member of the Communist Party and has not been for many years”. I also thank him for writing that the CPB insisted “that its members do not campaign with Tories or appear with them in the campaign to vote no to the bosses’ EU.”

    A couple of points in reply-

    1) The article Denny wrote on the CPB site (“Trade Unionists need to take the lead against the EU”) was written on 14 August 2015. It was only the following month that he announced that CAEF had affiliated to Banks’s Leave.EU. I can only assume he was a CPB member when he wrote the former. Was he still a member of the CPB when CAEF formed its alliance with Banks, I wonder?

    2) CAEF is a founder of and is affiliated to TEAM (which is an all Europe anti-EU grouping aka the Anti-Maastricht Alliance). The other British affiliates they work with are the Campaign for an Independent Britain (CIB) and the Bruges Group. The CIB is another of these “non-political” anti-EU groups who have a few token Labourites but are mainly right wing Tories and Ukippers (eg they boast of co-operation with the Taxpayers Alliance). CIB also say that CAEF was one of their founder members, btw. The Bruges Group are a Thatcherite think tank.

    3) In 11 June 2016, CAEF and TUAEU (both backed by the Morning Star) took part in the TEAM anti-EU counter-summit where speakers included David Campbell-Bannerman (Tory MEP, ex-Ukip) representing Vote.Leave.

    4) While the CPB may have taken a tactical decision for their members not to work with Tories during the EU Referendum campaign, it doesn’t mean that their members have not done so in the past. As well as the examples above, Denny also wrote a glowing review of the “Anti-Maastricht Alliance” anti-Euro pamphlet when he was Foreign Editor of the Morning Star.

    In the end, as has been pointed out in the comments, the CPB and the Morning Star have still been more than happy to promote TUAEU despite the well-publicised links (and funding) between them and Arron Banks.

    1) https://medium.com/@JRogan3000/lexit-and-brexit-collaboration-what-did-the-morning-star-know-355a42fcc991

    2) http://teameurope.co/affiliates.html

    3) http://www.caef.org.uk

    4) http://www.spectrezine.org/reviews/Denny.html

    John Rogan

    July 19, 2018 at 10:47 am

  9. “…and the public voted “leave”. So get over it”: a typical reactionary Brexiteer argument: democracy ended the day after the referendum.

    Jim Denham

    July 19, 2018 at 10:48 am

  10. Yeah Jim and I also believe in the great men of history theory too, unlike you lot…oh hang on! LOL.
    Mind you, they do say the EU was Napoleons idea. I wonder if you lot had been alive back then would you have supported is version of federalism?

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 11:05 am

  11. I just wish the ballot paper had had these two options

    Stay in the EU

    or Common Ownership.

    I might have voted then. I just put the ballot paper they sent to me in the bin.

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 11:19 am

  12. So the Star publishes articles by TUAEU. And what conclusion do the pro EU trotskyites draw from the fact that also publishes articles by pro EU figures in the Labour Movement and wider including Greens?

    Nick Wright

    July 19, 2018 at 11:31 am

  13. Btw, I’ve now updated and amended my post with Nick Wright’s comment and my reply.

    John Rogan

    July 19, 2018 at 11:36 am

  14. So the Star publishes articles by TUAEU. And what conclusion do the pro EU trotskyites draw from the fact that also publishes articles by pro EU figures in the Labour Movement and wider including Greens?

    What would Stalin have wanted you to do?

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 11:43 am

  15. “I wonder if you lot had been alive back then would you have supported is version of federalism?” Well Marx supported Bismarck’s unification of Germany from above.

    Jim Denham

    July 19, 2018 at 2:45 pm

  16. John has made the decisive point,

    “The article Denny wrote on the CPB site (“Trade Unionists need to take the lead against the EU”) was written on 14 August 2015. It was only the following month that he announced that CAEF had affiliated to Banks’s Leave.EU. I can only assume he was a CPB member when he wrote the former. Was he still a member of the CPB when CAEF formed its alliance with Banks, I wonder?”

    This has yet to get an answer.

    As for the Morning Star’s ‘pluralism’, but this also include opening up to Arron Bank’s other allies, notably George Galloway’s close friend?

    Andrew Coates

    July 19, 2018 at 3:43 pm

  17. Jim, you are a master of answering questions without answering them.

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 3:55 pm

  18. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

    Sorry to break this one to you, but there is no one these Tankies won’t do business with.

    Steven Johnston

    July 19, 2018 at 4:16 pm

  19. The Communist Party is affiliated to neither TUAEU or Leave.Uk. The problem that seems the exercise the critics of the Morning Star here is that it offers a platform for debate in which different strands of opinion, particularly in the Labour Movement, but also wider, can have their say.(its active correspondents even include Jim Dunham).
    If this ‘guilt by association’ formula were to be universally applied the paper could almost, thus, be accused of associating with pro Zionist elements who are prepared to campaign along with big business, the banks and the political establishment in favour of remaining in the EU.
    Instead, it pursues a balanced debates policy whilst editorially campaigning, as it has consistently since the 1975 referendum, against membership of the bosses’ club.

    Nick Wright

    July 20, 2018 at 9:07 am

  20. The bosses club? Well I very much doubt that is the reason Jim & Andrew want Britain to remain in the EU.

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 9:53 am

  21. Still, at least Theresa May can’t send you remainers to the “dustbin of history”.

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 10:58 am

  22. What is the gratuitous reference to “pro-Zionist elements” supposed to mean?

    Andrew Coates

    July 20, 2018 at 12:38 pm

  23. Since when has holding a consistent line been something admirable? They consistently supported the USSR but I would hardly say that is something to be proud of.

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 1:46 pm

  24. “Morning Star here is that it offers a platform for debate in which different strands of opinion, particularly in the Labour Movement”: except that with regard to the EU and Brexit, it doesn’t. It’s true that quite a few contributors (Diane Abbott, Manuel Cortes, Attila The Stockbroker, various Greens, etc) are anti-Brexit, but they very rarely get to contribute articles on that subject. The M Star’s coverage is overwhelmingly pro-Brexit, including Daily Mail-style editorials denouncing “Brussels bureaucrats”, the “metropolitan elites”, “a pro-EU “fifth column” within the British “establishment”, plus the reactionary little Englander, anti-immigrant ravings of TUAEU people like Doug Nicholls, Enrico Tortolano, etc – and it’s never mentioned that they’re funded by Arron Banks.

    Jim Denham

    July 20, 2018 at 3:33 pm

  25. […] Coates wrote about this story on his blog with links to […]

  26. So it was the Morning Star wot won it!

    The anti-EU vote I mean. Get real! The 5 people & their dog that read it every day, well their votes are neither here nor there.
    In fact the reverse could be true, as if the Star stakes a stance it’s a safe bet that the correct position to take is the polar opposite of theirs.

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 3:45 pm

  27. Perish the though comrades that the working classes are clever enough to make up their own minds on this issue. I mean, we read the Star and we automatically take their line on Brexit!

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 4:27 pm

  28. Well Marx supported Bismarck’s unification of Germany from above.
    So he did, as part of his project to unify the many city states, principalities and minor kingdoms that comprised what is now the rather strong nation state of Germany. Bismark is not an argument for Euro deeralism but rather for the a more precisely defined nation state with a unitary economy and polity. (do trotskyites read Hegel?) I think not.

    Nick Wright

    July 20, 2018 at 5:29 pm

  29. What is the gratuitous reference to “pro-Zionist elements” supposed to mean?
    The disreputable end of third position trotskyism that is currently providing political cover for the Labour Party right wing in its Zionist coordinated assault on Labour’s leadership.
    If the cap fits…..

    Nick Wright

    July 20, 2018 at 5:32 pm

  30. So Marxists are nationalists now?

    Where does that leave his statement that the workers have no country?

    Confused? I am! Do you tankies just make it up as you go along?

    As for discrediting the labour left, Nick look no further than here!

    https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sections/britain/brs/1951/51.htm#2

    Written by a Harry Pollitt, you may have heard of him.

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 6:16 pm

  31. What I find really disgusting here is that both the trot and the tankie, are using Marx to justify fighting, not for socialism, but for capitalism. One offers defending British capitalism in the EU, the other out of the EU. Both though think this is in the workers interests. A plague on both your houses!

    Steven Johnston

    July 20, 2018 at 6:32 pm

  32. Reformists like Steven and Stalinists like Nick, read and learn!

    Trotsky, the most consistent Marxist of this generation when it comes to the national question, admitted that certain “opponents of the programme of the United States of Europe had used precisely this perspective as an argument that this idea can, under certain conditions, acquire a ‘reactionary’ monarchist-imperialist content”. Yet, he said, “it is precisely this perspective that provides the most graphic testimony in favour of the revolutionary viability of the slogan”.

    Say German militarism did succeed “in actually carrying out the compulsory half-union of Europe”: would this be in any way essentially different from Bismarck’s Prussian “half-union of Germany” in 1871? Under such circumstances how should Marxists proceed? Trotsky asked if they would call for the “dissolution of the forced European coalition and the return of all peoples under the roof of isolated national states”. Would they demand the restoration of “autonomous tariffs, national currencies, national social legislation, and so forth”? Certainly not, thundered Trotsky. No, he said, the programme of the European revolutionary movement would be:

    “The destruction of the compulsory anti-democratic form of the coalition, with the preservation and furtherance of its foundations, in the form of complete annihilation of tariff barriers, the unification of legislation, above all of labour laws, etc. In other words, the slogan of the United States of Europe – without monarchies and standing armies – would under the indicated circumstances become the unifying and guiding slogan of the European revolution.”

    A pretty conclusive to subsequent Stalinist “socialism in one country” imbecility and petty bourgeois nationalist/reformist illusions.

    Jim Denham

    July 20, 2018 at 10:23 pm

  33. Arguing with trotskyites, especially of the revisionist kind like the AWL, is a bit like arguing with Jehova’s Witnesses. They think that drawing one’s attention to a textural reference (in their case the Bible) in this case the often more delusional texts of Trotsky, constitutes a proof.
    But, for the moment, let us take this text and apply its logic to our contemporary situation.
    How are we, within the constraints of the EU’s system going to effect the “destruction of the compulsory anti-democratic form of the coalition”? Answers in Greek will be acceptable. Italian useful, English preferable.
    How are we, in the context of the ECJ rulings on workers rights going to effect the annihilation of “all of labour laws”?

    Nick Wright

    July 21, 2018 at 12:51 pm

  34. I am not sure, what effect, or indeed cause, they are either.

    “in the context of the ECJ rulings on workers rights going to effect the annihilation of “all of labour laws”?”

    Though I find the assertion that the EJC (in normal English referred to as the CJEU, is I had got your meaning correctly, that is the Court of Justice of the European Union) is dyed-in-the-wool enemy of workers’ rights most affecting.

    Andrew Coates

    July 21, 2018 at 3:43 pm

  35. My dear, deluded, Nick: I merely quote Trotsky because he was a Marxist and (unlike you and your sorely ill educated comrades in the CPB) had some grasp of the issues at stake from a Marxist perspective (without resorting to mystical nonsense about “dialectical thinking”).

    For instance, read with amusement, the statement on Brexit by Rob Griffiths, general secretary of the Communist Party (of Britain) in Saturday’s Morning Star: it reads more like some kind of Daily Mail editorial or alt-right conspiracy-theory nonsense than anything by rational scientific socialist. How can people who call themselves Marxists take Griffiths’ ignorant nonsense seriously? For a start, he gets his basic facts wrong: he describes Dominic Raab as an “ex Remainer”. No he isn’t: he was one of the most high-profile Leavers during the referendum campaign! If Griffiths can’t even gbet elementarfy facts right, why should we listen to a single thing he, or the degenerate nationalist, sovereigntist, little-England organisation he speaks for, has to say?

    Jim Denham

    July 22, 2018 at 6:51 pm

  36. Yes, we can see here just what sort of Marxist, Trotsky was.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/trotsky_book.htm

    Steven Johnston

    July 22, 2018 at 10:11 pm

  37. Though all Trotskyism boils down to these days, or even in the old days, was campaigning for “more money for our NHS…less money for their wars”.
    Even Jim is campaigning on behalf of British capitalism, agreeing with the CBI, that it is the best interests of British capitalism to stay in the EU.

    Steven Johnston

    July 23, 2018 at 12:08 pm

  38. …errr? Steven: grow up! It’s in the working class’s interests. If all we did was to take what the ruling class say and say the opposite, then every sectarian would be a master theoretician (and so much for independent political thinking). My enemy’s enemy is *not* always my friend. Once again I recommend Trotsky’s essay ‘Learn to Think’. It’s aimed at the hard-of-thinking so you really would benefit.

    Jim Denham

    July 23, 2018 at 1:50 pm

  39. No thanks, I’ll stick with the works of Marx & Engels for my dose of socialism. I have an aversion to the writings of mass-murderers. Even those that commit then in the name of the workers.
    I’ve never said my enemy’s enemy is my friend, nor have I said you have to say the opposite of the ruling class.
    You criticise people on the left for working with Aaron Banks, but yet you are on the same side of the CBI. Why so hypocritical? Or did you read that it’s ok to do that in the writings of Trotsky? Why don’t you denounce yourself for this. Surely those thieves in the CBI are worse that Aaron Banks?
    Just out of interest, in which work(s) of Trotsky does he justify putting down the Kronstadt rebellion. Now that I would love to read.

    Steven Johnston

    July 23, 2018 at 2:29 pm

  40. That’s funny, I can remember reading Marx and he said that you cannot run capitalism in the interests of the working class.

    Steven Johnston

    July 23, 2018 at 2:37 pm

  41. Right, so it’s wrong to campaign on the same position as Aaron Banks, even if you never share a platform with him.

    But it’s perfectly acceptable to campaign on the same position as the CBI. Now, you don’t need to say “but I never shared a platform with them” as they would never let you anyway.

    Surely members of the CBI are just as odious as Banks. Did you ever once tell the workers that “either in or out you will still be exploited” if not, why not?

    As I support the Kronstadt resolution, why would I read the works of a man who would shoot me, my wife and children into the bargain too, for this?

    Steven Johnston

    July 23, 2018 at 2:51 pm

  42. “That’s funny, I can remember reading Marx and he said that you cannot run capitalism in the interests of the working class”: read the Communist Manifesto, especially the opening chapter about how “The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part … during its rule od scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than all preceding generations together … Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells. … but not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons – the modern working class – the proletarians.”

    Now, Steven, having acquainted yourself with the a-b-c’s of the Marxist understanding of the irreplaceable role of capitalist development in creating the material basis for socialism, take a look at Chapter 3, ‘Socialist and Communist Literature’, and especially the sections on “Reactionary Socialism”, where you will see people like yourself unerringly described and ridiculed.

    Jim Denham

    July 24, 2018 at 9:14 am

  43. I’d rather be ridiculed than shot. That is the legacy of Trotskyism, Bolshevism, Stalinism, etc. Row after row of gravestones.

    Anyway, back on topic.

    Left-winger + not sharing a platform but the same position as a right-winger on Brexit = bad thing.

    Left-winger + not sharing a platform but the same position as the CBI on staying in the EU = good thing.

    Or another equation:

    Socialist + wanting socialism and nothing but = bad thing

    Trot + wanting British capitalism to stay in the EU = good thing.

    Steven Johnston

    July 24, 2018 at 9:43 am

  44. http://socialiststudies.org.uk/article%20eulearn.shtml

    Great article that shows that Marx & Engels didn’t take sides on the “in or out” issue, the Corn Laws, of their day. Also a reference to Marx on the question of free trade.

    But wait, let me guess, even this won’t please you supporters of British capitalism in the EU.
    There will be a “Yeah, but…”

    Steven Johnston

    July 24, 2018 at 1:48 pm

  45. The “yeah but”, Steven, is read what Marx actually wrote in the Communist Manifesto and said about free trade. It’s all available, so you have no excuse for your wilful ignorance.

    Jim Denham

    July 24, 2018 at 3:04 pm

  46. Jim, you want me to become a socialist, who doesn’t want socialism, but wants Britain to remain a capitalist country in the EU? Wow, no thanks. Even if I have gotten Marx “wrong” I’d rather campaign for socialism than that.

    Steven Johnston

    July 24, 2018 at 3:44 pm


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