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Gerry Downing and Ian Donovan on “falsification of the Auschwitz death toll.”

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A journey has begun, perhaps it will end where the Veille Taupe finished (1).

Excellent piece from Ian Donovan:

Gerry Joseph Downing

The original falsification of the Auschwitz death toll was Stalin’s doing. He was trying to palm off responsiblity for some of his greatest crimes onto Poland.

He trusted his pact with Hitler, cretinously, and was taken by surprise by Operation Barbarossa in June 1941. Few military preparations were made, what were done were so despite Stalin, not because of him and the core of his regime.

But worse than that, as part of appeasing ‘democratic’ imperialism, prior to his pact with Hitler, he murdered Mikhail Tukachevsky and his comrades; the Red Army’s military cadre who had been pulled together by the founder of the Red Army, Leon Trotsky, and had defeated 13 invading capitalist armies and the White Guards in the Wars of Intervention/’civil war’ from 1918-21.

Stalin murdered them after falsely accusing them of working for Hitler; the same lie he used about Trotsky. In doing so he effectively opened the gates to Hitler, and permitted the most incredible massacre of the Soviet people, including Soviet Jews.

This is such an incredible act of treachery that it had to be covered up and played down. The USSR lost 27 million dead in the war against Hitler, though for many years this was also covered up and claimed to be only 7 million.

The inflation of the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz was part of the same cover up. By making it appear that millions of Jews who actually died in Russia, killed by mobile SS death squads that were allowed to run amok in Soviet territory, instead died in Auschwitz, the Stalinist regime could hide its own responsibility for millions of deaths through its criminal treachery and collaboration with both ‘democratic’ imperialism and Hitler.

That was the reason why the figure at Auschwitz changed after a generation or more since the death of Stalin. That was not the only figure that changed, when it was safe to do so, ie. when the people who had something to hide were finally no longer in power.

Unfortunately the ‘democratic’ social counterrevolution was more truthful than the degenerated bureaucratic regime it overthrew, which betrayed the Russian Revolution but was unable itself to finally destroy its remnants until then.

This follows,

Defend Jeremy Corbyn against latest ‘anti-Semitism’ fraud!

25/03/2018 by Ian.

Luciana Berger’s allegation that Corbyn defended an ‘anti-semitic’ mural in 2012 is a poisonous smear. Unfortunately he has already shown signs of retreating before it. There is nothing that attacks Jews as Jews in this mural. The caricatured are old white men, not Jews. See this 2012 YouTube video explaining the background to it.

The painter mentioned both the Rothschilds and the Rockerfellers as the archetypes he was working from. Ie. a mixture of Jewish and non-Jewish bankers, living off the enslavement and death of the working class.

Actually, though the majority of such people in the real world are not Jewish, a large minority of the super rich, some sources say 40% or more, including bankers and media moguls, are Jewish. Whereas the Jewish population of the USA is only 2% of the total; in the UK only 0.5%.

More recently Gerry Downing has written,

The Zionism of the AWL is truly disgusting.

Is Downing still a member of any left organisation apart from his own?

 

(1) In 1979 Pierre Guillaume approached Gérard Lebovici with a proposal to publish the Holocaust denial text Le Mensonge d’Ulysse by Paul Rassinier. Lebovici refused, so in 1980 Guillaume relaunched La Vieille Taupeas a negationist publishing house. Rassiner’s book was the first published. Many of Guillaume’s former associates deplore his reuse of the name for a purpose they regard as completely at odds with their former involvement. Some also regard Guillaume’s suggestion that Guy Debord was a secret negationist as obscene. Some people view ultra-left negationism as evidence that the ultra-left and ultra-right are very similar – the meeting of the extremes. However most ultra left activists would distance themselves from all forms of negationism, and regard Guillaume’s more recent development as a sad decline. Guillaume sees La Vieille Taupeas a genuine ultra left venture which concentrates on “exposing the lies of the capitalist victors of the Second World War“, even if most of the people who listen to him are from the far-right.

In fact it closed in the late 1980s, followed by another venture which shut its doors in 1991.

 

After that, “À partir de 1995, Pierre Guillaume a fait publier une revue La Vieille Taupe, à parution très irrégulière. Le second numéro, qui sort en décembre 1995, est un texte de Roger Garaudy, « Mythes fondateurs de la politique israélienne » à teneur négationniste qui finit par faire grand bruit, apportant à cette nouvelle Vieille Taupe, un souffle médiatique et financier inespéré25.

L’adoption de la loi Gayssot et la condamnation de Pierre Guillaume par l’ensemble de l’extrême gauche ont considérablement réduit depuis ses activités.

There was another ultra-left negationist (Holocaust deniers) from that time  La Banquise.

Since those days there are a number of anti-semite groups in France which have a certain ‘ leftist’ tinge, such as   Réseau Voltaire.

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Written by Andrew Coates

April 5, 2018 at 1:27 pm

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  1. This is anew one even by the standards of Holocaust deniers.

    Dave Roberts

    April 5, 2018 at 1:47 pm

  2. We shall see if they begin citing this,

    Andrew Coates

    April 5, 2018 at 1:59 pm

  3. Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion anybody? News just breaking, Alan Sugar and ten other Jewish Peers have reported Labour supporting Facebooks sites to the Met Police.

    Dave Roberts

    April 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm

  4. The Mail is out against the Jews again.

    Andrew Coates

    April 5, 2018 at 2:09 pm

  5. You are defending Stalin?

    You are aware that the sign saying 4 million died at Auschwitz was amended in 1990 to 1.1 million?

    I just explained why that change happened.

    Ian

    April 5, 2018 at 2:38 pm

  6. Hey Coatsey, were you in the SS Einstatzgruppen?

    If not, why are you tolerating people here defending them against the charge of killing around 3 million Jews?

    Ian

    April 5, 2018 at 2:42 pm

  7. David Rosenberg. Who’s he?

    Dave Roberts

    April 5, 2018 at 3:04 pm

  8. Does it make much difference whether they were directly killed by Hitler or (indirectly) buHitler waging war? Or, we going to be told next that Hitler had no idea what was going on and it was all done Blythe Red army when they liberated the camp? Either way, a hell of a lot of people died in horrible ways.

    Suer

    April 5, 2018 at 3:37 pm

  9. Sue R is an idiot.

    Of course they were killed by Hitler.

    The question is whether they were killed on Soviet territory, or in Poland? The former making Stalin complicit in the crime through murdering the USSR’s top military cadre and therefore leaving Soviet Jews defenceless against the SS Einsatzgruppen who were allowed to run amok in the USSR.

    If the USSR were properly defended then that’s 3 million Jews whose lives would likely have been saved.

    That lying piece of garbage Andrew Coates libels us as holocaust deniers for pointing out Stalin’s complicity in Hitler’s murder of 3 million, around half, of the Jews who died in the Holocaust.

    His Big Lies are straight out of Goebells.

    Ian

    April 5, 2018 at 3:53 pm

  10. Sue R is an idiot.

    Of course they were killed by Hitler.

    The question is whether they were killed on Soviet territory, or in Poland? The former making Stalin complicit in the crime through murdering the USSR’s top military cadre and therefore leaving Soviet Jews defenceless against the SS Einsatzgruppen who were allowed to run amok in the USSR.

    If the USSR were properly defended then that’s 3 million Jews whose lives would likely have been saved.

    That lying piece of garbage Andrew Coates libels us as holocaust deniers for pointing out Stalin’s complicity in Hitler’s murder of 3 million, around half, of the Jews who died in the Holocaust.

    His Big Lies are straight out of Goebells.

    Ian

    April 5, 2018 at 3:54 pm

  11. And there I was thinking that the Second World War was principally won by the Soviet army, and Winter, breaking the back of the German army, just goes to show how hoodwinked those of us who read history books are. Thank goodness we have people like Ian to pull the wool from our eyes.

    Pete Shield

    April 5, 2018 at 5:09 pm

  12. No place for anti-Semitism

    The September 14 meeting of Left Unity’s Communist Platform saw a parting of the ways with a member of its steering committee, Ian Donovan. This followed comrade Donovan’s espousal of views that can only be described as anti-Semitic: in his opinion, there is a Jewish “pan-national bourgeoisie”, which has constituted itself as ruling class “vanguard” in key imperialist countries, and it is this that accounts for US support for Israel. Donovan says he intends to write a book laying out this ‘theory’ in detail.

    Once this line of thinking had been fully revealed to other members of the steering committee, they urged him to step down from the CP. When he refused, the September 14 members’ meeting was called, which had before it a motion from comrades Jack Conrad and Moshé Machover stating that anti-Semitism is “incompatible with membership of the Communist Platform” (see below).

    In response, Donovan put in an ‘amendment’ – of the ‘replace all’ type: it would have transformed the motion into something completely antithetical to the original. He announced that if this amendment was heavily defeated he would leave the platform. Not unexpectedly, his amendment received only one vote and, true to his word, he left the meeting – and the CP.

    Let me briefly summarise his argument by quoting from his Draft theses on the Jews and modern imperialism.1 According to him, “Of all the advanced capitalist/imperialist countries today, Israel is second only to the United States in the threat it poses to the future of humanity.” But the huge ruling class support Israel receives in the west has “a material basis”, over and above imperialism’s own interests. It is “explained by one salient fact: Jewish overrepresentation in the US and other ruling classes”. For example, in the US, “informed Jewish sources” claim that “between 40% and 48%” of billionaires are Jews.

    In my opinion, such ‘statistics’ say far more about the person quoting them than the people they claim to study. Even if we accept that those figures are accurate (a big ‘if’), then why would anyone consider them to be pertinent? The implication is that ruling class Jews are overwhelmingly driven by Zionism, whereas, of course, in reality there are many non-Zionists and even anti-Zionists among them.

    But what counts for Donovan is their common Jewishness. For him, “The Jews are not a nation, but they have a pan-national bourgeoisie …” In other words, they “constitute a semi-nation … under the hegemony of their own bourgeoisie”. This means that “There is a common ethnocentric project between the ruling class of Israel and the various hegemonic pro-Israel bourgeois Jewish organisations in a number of imperialist countries, centrally the United States.”

    So this “semi-nation” has some kind of ethnic commonality – Jews in Britain are apparently ethnically, or at least ‘semi-nationally’, related to Romanian or Ethiopian Jews. And this commonality – at least within the ruling class – drives Jews (or at any rate the overwhelming majority of them, presumably) to enthusiastically embrace Zionism. In fact such Jews are so influential that this “bourgeois current … plays the role of a kind of ‘vanguard of the bourgeoisie’ … Hence the ‘traditional’ imperialist bourgeoisie … to a considerable degree defers and follows the leadership of the Jewish/Zionist bourgeoisie.”

    Interestingly, Donovan notes that communist organisations, not least the Bolsheviks, have often featured a high proportion of Jews amongst their leaders, yet he draws no parallel anti-Semitic conclusions about the significance of this (the Nazis were more consistent in this regard, it has to be said).

    His amendment went so far as to “reject a separate category of ‘anti-Semitism’, distinct from and wider-cast than actual racism against other peoples”. For Donovan, “The term ‘anti-Semitism’ is unscientific (Arabs are Semites too).” And now that term has been taken over by the class enemy: “It has … undergone ‘definition-creep’ by Zionists and their apologists. Its current meaning condemns prejudice against all Jews, but also meaningful criticism, discussion and analysis, even by other Jews, of oppressive Jewish behaviour against others.” No, Ian, such criticism is what some Zionists would like to dub anti-Semitic, but to claim that this new “definition” has been generally accepted is just plain nonsense.

    Since we should “equally oppose racism against Jews, Arabs, blacks, Irish and all peoples,” continued the amendment, “The privileging [sic] of so-called anti-Semitism … is a violation of the principle of the equality of peoples and thereby a form of racism, and is also incompatible with communism.” So there you have it: to employ the term ‘anti-Semitism’ is to ‘privilege’ “racism against Jews” – you might just as well say that the use of the term ‘Islamophobia’ does the same in relation to Muslims.

    It is true, however, that, as his amendment stated, “criticism of the Jewish bourgeoisie for operating across national lines in oppressing Palestinians is equated with the Protocols of Zion”. That is because there is a genuine similarity in such “criticism” with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. For both the Protocols and now Ian Donovan, it seems, everything can be blamed on the Jewish “vanguard of the bourgeoisie”, not on the system of capital itself.

    Jack Conrad

    Moshé Machover.

    https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1026/no-place-for-anti-semitism/

    Andrew Coates

    April 5, 2018 at 5:26 pm

  13. Andrew. Can you help here? It seems there is yet another group called Left Unity’s Communist Platform or have I read this incorrectly. I am but a simple East End property developer and I am getting lost in this maelstrom of groupescules.

    Dave Roberts

    April 5, 2018 at 6:19 pm

  14. Of course for Coates as with Conrad and Machover criticising organised Jewish racism in the imperialist countries, aimed at pressuring the US and European power to ultra-hard line pro-Israeli politics, is the same thing as racism against Jewish people.

    Its crap, its always been crap and Coates’ latest fuckwittery, accusing someone arguing against holocaust denial of arguing the opposite, just shows it’s crap.

    Ian

    April 5, 2018 at 6:36 pm

  15. Ian. Calm own, calm down.

    Dave Roberts

    April 5, 2018 at 6:40 pm

  16. Is Downing still a member of the LRC? If so he shouldn’t be. Is Donovan a member of the Labour Party or LRC? If yes to either he shouldn’t be.

    barry buitekant

    April 5, 2018 at 6:41 pm

  17. First of all, let me declare that I, along with many others, have strongly criticised the ideas promoted by Socialist Fight about the apparent undue influence of ‘the Jewish bourgeoisie’, considering that these ideas are at root anti-Semitic. Having said that, however, to dispute the Soviet estimation of the deaths at Auschwitz — so long as this is to discuss it within the framework of the general estimation of the number of deaths of Jews in Hitler’s Holocaust at six million (estimates vary from five to seven million) — is a perfectly valid point of discussion.

    A statement made by the Soviet government in the aftermath of the liberation of the Auschwitz camp complex put the number of deaths at four million. The camp commander Rudolf Hoess at first put the figure at 1.1 million, then just before and during the Nuremberg trials he put the figure at 2.5 million gassed and a further half a million deaths through disease and neglect, a figure he said was told to him by Adolf Eichmann. Later on, at his trial in Poland and in his memoirs, he reverted to his earlier figure, saying that just over 1.1 million people were put to death at the camp. This last figure is the one that has been broadly accepted by Holocaust scholars. It should be added that these wide variations in numbers have been picked on by Holocaust revisionists to cast doubt upon the generally accepted view of the Nazi Holocaust.

    So long as Socialist Fight accepts the generally accepted magnitude of the Nazi Holocaust of approximately six million Jewish deaths, there is no reason to accuse the group of Holocaust revisionism in its discussion of the number of deaths at Auschwitz, and in particular the points it made in respect of the Soviet estimation, which is far in excess of the generally accepted figure.

    Dr Paul

    April 5, 2018 at 10:26 pm

  18. One would have thought that in the light of the latest attacks on Corbyn and the mass Labour party membership is a very sophisticated and organised by a Zionist lobby with enormous power. It should not be difficult to accept the power of the Zionist bourgeoisie in the USA and Britain. And demanding expulsions is a filthy Zionist tactic to “save Labour from itself”, i.e. for right wing Labour and Zionism.

    The shame of Matgamna denying the Palestinians’ right to return just before the Zionist state denied that that right with the murder of 17 demonstrators in a pre planned massacre. Blood on the hands of Matgamna and the AWL.

    socialistfight

    April 6, 2018 at 4:02 am

  19. Dr Paul is right, obviously it is legitimate to examine the death tolls of the Second World War, they are not sacrosanct. Getting at the objective truth of what happened is politically important. However, a word of warning to Downey and Downing, the present Labour Party leadership doesn’t take kindly to bad mouthing Russia. They’ll fond themselves shipped off to the gulag and more than likely shot.

    Suer

    April 6, 2018 at 8:25 am

  20. Sorry, that should be Donovan and Downing. Who pre-planned the massacre in Gazxa? It’s ambiguous from your sentence whether it was pre-planned by the Israelis or the Palestinians.

    Sue R

    April 6, 2018 at 10:06 am

  21. As anybody can see Donovan and his mate swiftly moves on the Jeeews, ” the power of the Zionist bourgeoisie in the USA and Britain.”

    That leads us to conclude that he does not give a toss about Stalin and the death rates at Auschwitz except as a means to get back to what happened in the Old Prague Cemetery.

    It is very striking that when he talks about the ” ‘democratic’ social counterrevolution ” – that is the defeat of fascism in Europe – he is repeating exactly the ultra left language of the groups I cite.

    I have a copy of one of the issues of La Banquise so I am not just asserting this.

    Andrew Coates

    April 6, 2018 at 11:48 am

  22. Hitler was a Jew like, innit?

    Ficko

    April 6, 2018 at 12:27 pm

  23. What is it with ‘revolutionaries’ and mass executions. Why do they always feel it is necessary to put those whom they have usurped from power up against the wall? And why are ‘intellectuals’ always amongst the first group in the firing line?

    Historian

    April 6, 2018 at 12:38 pm

  24. Coates caught lying again. Anyone who lived through the 1980s and 1990s knows that the ‘democratic’ counterrevolution i talked about happened between 1989 and 1991. The sign at Auschwitz was changed in 1990.

    Of course its utterly ‘ultra left’ to say that capitalist restoration in the USSR and Eastern Europe was a bad thing and thereby a counterrevolution. Like any neoliberal traitor, Coates believes that the far left are the same as the far right and if he can’t find evidence to back that up, he pulls it out of his arse.

    But if you’re going to embrace the counterevolution in the East, you will end up rubbing shoulders with people who really do hate Jews. The right-wing bourgeois forces in the Baltic states, for instance, that hero-worship like the so-called Forest Brothers, nationalist rebels during WWII who fought alongside the Nazis. Or the hardline anti-Russian nationalists in Ukraine, who took power in the Maidan coup, which includes Nazis who regard Stephan Bandera’s OUN movement as their forebears. The OUN fought with the Nazis against the USSR in WW2.

    The Estonian example was a long time ago, but the Maidan is pretty recent and this site has been nothing if not fulsome in its support.

    Ian

    April 6, 2018 at 12:53 pm

  25. Please go easy on Ian and his bessa mate/comrade , Gerry: they’re in need of help, not judgement – especially given their awful nightmares about the Jewish pan-national bourgeoisie,

    Jim Denham

    April 6, 2018 at 2:18 pm

  26. Ian, so you are saying that ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ dates back to only 1990, not the Second World War are we are led to believe. Just out of interest, what did the sign read at Auschwitz pre-1990?

    Revisionist

    April 6, 2018 at 2:50 pm

  27. Revisionist.

    Why don’t you read the post and the comments?

    I couldn’t be arsed to repeat what has already been discussed. Particularly for trolls using a handle like yours.

    Ian

    April 6, 2018 at 4:18 pm

  28. I am interested too in the claim that “The sign at Auschwitz was changed in 1990.”

    First I’ve heard of this.

    Perhaps Downing could explain?

    Andrew Coates

    April 7, 2018 at 12:16 pm

  29. If the sign at Auschwitz was changed in 1990 why then do all the old photos from the end of the Second World War have ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ over the gate?

    J Cohen

    April 7, 2018 at 5:42 pm

  30. If the sign at Auschwitz was changed in 1990 why then do all the old photos from the end of the Second World War when the camp was being liberated by the Russians all have ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ over the gate?

    J Cohen

    April 7, 2018 at 5:42 pm

  31. Copy paste…

    You are defending Stalin?

    You are aware that the sign saying 4 million died at Auschwitz was amended in 1990 to 1.1 million?

    I just explained why that change happened.

    Ian

    April 7, 2018 at 8:51 pm

  32. Some very stupid and illiterate people here.

    I wonder if they can tie their own shoelaces yet?

    Ian

    April 7, 2018 at 8:54 pm


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