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Owen Jones, “not taking part in Trump Demo because of leading role of the SWP in it, a cult which covered up rape.”

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People who follow these things may have noticed an angry exchange between Lindsey German and comrade Owen Jones over the Trump protests.

As I have no wish to offered comrade Owen, who deleted the remarks, but did not protest at people mentioning it (despite opportunity to do so) I shall not paste it.

People who follow these things may have also noticed that yesterday there were two letters in the Guardian protesting against Trump’s planned visit to the UK.

We stand together against Donald Trump’s toxic agenda

One was headed by Owen’s name, it included  Ed Miliband, senior trade union figures and human rights campaigners, prominent Momentum figures and people from respected left groups, such as Left Unity.

The other, well, let’s just say that it also included respected figures from the union movement and human rights campaigner, and… Lindsey German and organisations in which her groupuscule play a considerable part, the Stop the War Coalition and the remains of the People’s Assembly. Another organisation’s supporters,  Stand up to Racism, best known for the SWP’s involvement, featured. And Islamist organisations, such as the Muslim Association of Britain. (1)

Momentum meanwhile has advertised the London Demo without mentioning the various fronts, groups claiming to represent the Muslim community, and others, behind the demonstration.


If you’re in London, join the march to Stop Trump’s Muslim Ban this Saturday, 4th February, from the US Embassy to Downing Street. The Momentum and Labour Assembly Against Austerity bloc will meet at 11am at 24 Grosvenor Square, London W1A 2LQ. Check out the Facebook Event for more information.

Momentum is in the right direction.

Protesting against Trump  is very important, welcome, and needed.

But we don’t we don’t want to be caught up in the manipulative and dead-end politics of the likes of the SWP or Counterfire (both strong backers of the Brexit that Trump welcomes), the StWC (who oppose any interference in the sovereign politics of Syria) still less MAB and its cohorts.

Now this bombshell comes:


(1) “MAB first started working with the StWC in 2002 when they agreed to join together a demonstration they had planned to mark the anniversary of the Second Palestinian Intifada with a demonstration StWC had planned against the looming Iraq war at the opening of the Labour party. The march took place under the dual slogans ‘Don’t attack Iraq‘ and ‘Freedom for Palestine‘.[2] According to Altikriti, MAB ‘spoke to Stop the War and we said to them, we will join you; however we will not become part of your coalition, we will be a separate and independent entity but we will work together with you on a national basis as part of the anti-war movement’.[3] This reassured MAB that it would not ‘melt into that big coalition’ [4] that was known to be led by the Left. They would remain a distinct and autonomous bloc, able to shape the agenda. Altikriti and others in the MAB leadership were working to persuade members that collaboration with non-Muslim anti-war activists was halal (religiously permissible) and that it was within the remit of their organisation. Their argument was that, if gender-segregated spaces and halal food could be provided at meetings, demonstrations and other events, then Muslims could participate in the anti-war movements without being assimilated”

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  1. Owen Jones’s refusal to support the anti-Trump demos because of the involvement of the SWP is, of course, just silly … BUT:

    After two impressive demos against Trump and more to come, that the SWP / Stand Up to Racism dominated there are discussions amongst Labour Party activists in Leeds and elsewhere on how to counter this.

    Labour is looking at producing its own placards and literature etc organising its own anti Trump campaigning events alongside.

    With the SWPs terrible ‘comrade Delta’ affair and the SPs, Counterfire’s, and the SWPs position on Brexit there is a plausible argument to be made that many Labour parties and sometimes the Labour leadership is to the left of the SWP/Counterfire and SP. Its definitely to the left of the SP on migrants’ rights.

    Jim Denham

    February 3, 2017 at 10:40 pm

  2. The suggestion from Leeds should be followed up.

    Andrew Coates

    February 4, 2017 at 10:49 am

  3. Jim’s right, I’m sure. I don’t doubt for a minute that certain CLPs have better politics than the SWP, SPEW, Counterfire. The latter’s politics, from what I’ve read, seem to be morphing into a sort of “Campist” Eurocommunism. Does that sound about right?


    February 4, 2017 at 11:07 pm

  4. Yes!

    Jim Denham

    February 4, 2017 at 11:30 pm

  5. I feel sorry for Owen Jones – who seems to get a ridiculous level of abuse both from the machismo “hard” left and the right. I think the key question here is how have the SWP managed to get their foot in the door again on the left. My main reasons for opposing Trump are that he is an authoritarian. misogynist, racist scumbag. And the SWP are authoritarian, rape-covering-up, anti-Semite promoting scumbags. Why should I march alongside one against the other?

    alex ross

    February 6, 2017 at 11:50 am

  6. I strongly agree about the intoelrable abuse Owen gets.

    He’s a left political commentator who actually goes out, investigates, gets involved in politics and campaigns.

    He writes well.

    Why should people expect that he mouths their own views?

    Andrew Coates

    February 6, 2017 at 2:00 pm

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