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Torture Does Work – Donald Trump: Time to Back the Geneva Convention.

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Torture is first of all a violation of human rights. Article 5 of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights says quite simply, “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.” There are no exceptions.

Yet, we learn today:

Torture does work’ says Donald Trump as the US President appears set to bring back waterboarding of suspects

The President vowed to “fight fire with fire” hours before anti-torture British leader Theresa May visits the US in a bid to “lead together”

CNN reports,

President Donald Trump said he wants to “fight fire with fire” when it comes to stopping terrorism, suggesting that he could be open to bringing back torture because he “absolutely” believes it works.

Trump said “people at the highest level of intelligence” have told him that torture does work, something military experts have refuted. He went on to say, however, that he will listen to what his Cabinet secretaries have to say about the issue.

“When ISIS is doing things that no one has ever heard of, since medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?” Trump said in an interview with ABC News. “As far as I’m concerned, we have to fight fire with fire.”

But he also said that he would defer to the recommendations of Defense Secretary James Mattis, who opposes enhanced interrogation, and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, who told senators earlier this month that he wouldn’t sanction the use of torture. Pompeo later said he would consider bringing back waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation measures under certain circumstances.

“I will rely on Pompeo and Mattis and my group. And if they don’t want to do (it), that’s fine.” Trump said. “And if the do want to do (torture), I will work toward that end.”

The Geneva Convention site says,

Even wars have rules. What does that mean?

It means: You do not torture people. You do not attack civilians. You limit as much as you can the impact of your warfare on women and children, as well as on other civilians. You treat detainees humanely.

In more detail they say,

Torture and other forms of ill-treatment are absolutely prohibited everywhere and at all times. States have agreed that there can be no excuse for torture. Experts also question the effectiveness of torture in terms of the quality of information obtained. The suffering caused by such practices may have profoundly disturbing effects on victims that can last for years.

As said above, torture and other forms of ill treatment are absolutely prohibited. When committed in the context of armed conflict, they constitute a war crime, which may be punished by a national or international court. People who have suffered torture may seek recourse against the responsible authority within their domestic legal system or by making a complaint to a competent human rights tribunal or human rights body


Written by Andrew Coates

January 26, 2017 at 1:28 pm

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  1. Torture isn’t coming back. The American deep state (in the persons of CIA director Pompeo and SecDef Mattis) won’t go along with it.

    One of the challenges of the Trump era is going to be having the discipline to ignore and not make a fuss over every idiotic and outrageous thing he says. Reacting to everything that comes out of his orange mouth is only going to exhaust us and keep us distracted, reactive, and on the defensive when really what we need to do in a protracted political war with the Alt Right is pick a few key issues/battles we want to win on and fight like hell over them.


    January 26, 2017 at 4:24 pm

  2. Thanks People’s War.

    As I have said before I am very far from deeply informed about the USA.

    This simply struck me as completely outrageous and foul.

    Andrew Coates

    January 26, 2017 at 5:07 pm

  3. Understandable. Everything he says strikes me as completely outrageous and foul, but I don’t have time to respond in writing before he says something new. It’s impossible to keep up with him; drinking from a firehouse.


    January 26, 2017 at 7:54 pm

  4. Andrew,it is totally appropriate to hammer Trump on substantial issues like this. oK, ignore the size of crowds and other assorted juvenilia; but not the big stuff like climate change. We also have a duty to try and rescue some on the left from their Trump/Putin illusions.


    January 27, 2017 at 11:22 am

  5. […] Here Ipswich’s Barmy Bolshevik Blogger, Comrade Coates has written an excellent post in regard to Donald Trump’s views on torture and why they are wrong. For a start we’ve known for centuries that the intelligence gained through torture is useless because people will say anything under duress. […]

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