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Ken Livingtone, Defends Keith Vaz, and his own Comments on Hitler – as you do.

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Livingstone: How Long, How Long, How Very Long He’s Gone.

This Blog has not gone into the details of the rows and distressing state of the Labour Party debate.

Nor has it made it more than generally clear that we support a vote for Jeremy Corbyn, though like many on the long-standing left we are not uncritical.

For the moment I will leave it that this, but something has now happened that calls for some comment.

We would wish that this individual is not a Corbyn supporter.

We would prefer to have nothing whatsoever to do with Livingstone.

We wish he would just shut his gob and go away.

The Daily Mirror has just reported this.

Ken Livingstone took to the airwaves this morning to defend former Labour colleague Keith Vaz today, but ended up in a lengthy defence of his own comments about Hitler.

The former Labour Mayor of London told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire he believed “someone’s private life should remain private.”

He said he didn’t think Mr Vaz paying for sex was a conflict of interest with his role on the Home Affairs select committee.

He said: “I don’t think the fact, if it turns out to be true, that he has paid for sex prevents him from conducting an inquiry into prostitution and the problems of prostitution.

“The problem with prostitution is what happens to the poor prostitutes and not so much their clients.”

Mr Livingstone said in the 40 years he’s been a colleague of Mr Vaz, he never recalled him mentioning sex or drugs.

He added: “Do you judge someone’s political career on the basis of one incident like this, or on the total of four decades. Everyone makes mistakes.”

Host Victoria Derbyshire asked Mr Livingstone about his suspension for “bringing the Labour Party into disrepute”, over comments he made linking Hitler with Zionism.

He replied: “I’m still waiting for the committee to sit down and decide whether what I said was true or not.

“I think they keep putting it off because the simple fact is I’ve got so much evidence that says what I’m saying is true.”

He went on to say that the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem sells pamphlets to tourists about the “deal” Hitler did with the Zionists.

“I’ve got so much evidence,” he insisted.

Mr Livingstone insisted he’d never said Hitler was a Zionist.

“To suggest Hitler was a Zionist is mad,” he said. “He loathed and feared Jews all his life.

But he did do a deal with the Zionist movement in the 1930s, and that led to 66,000 German Jews going to what is now Israel, and escaping the Holocaust.”

He said people should “go on websites”, and cited “dozens and dozens of books” which confirm that Hitler did a “deal” with the Zionist movement throughout the 1930s.

Asked if he was bothered about offending British Jews, he said: “If anyone has been offended by what I said, I’m truly sorry about that.

“But I’ve been struck by the number of people who’ve come up to me on the street and said “I’m Jewish, I know what you said is true. Don’t give in to this bullying.”

 

 

Written by Andrew Coates

September 6, 2016 at 4:32 pm

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  1. This piece by James Oliver is an excellent response to Livingstone http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sokg4r

    Paul Canning (@pauloCanning)

    September 6, 2016 at 5:14 pm

  2. Paul Canning (@pauloCanning)

    September 6, 2016 at 5:18 pm

  3. Livingstone is the archetype of somebody who’s read a few books on a subject, and thinks he’s mastered it.

    If I recall his main defence last time round was all the ‘facts’ were there in Lenni Brenner’ Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.

    “Speaking to the Guardian on Friday, Livingstone praised Lenni Brenner, the author of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, and said the book was full of details that he would cite in his defence.

    “All the detail is in there. The striking thing that does confirm there was an ongoing dialogue between the Zionists and Nazi government is, in 1935 Hitler passed a law banning any flag being displayed except the swastika and the blue and white Zionist flag, which is pretty amazing.”

    He added of Brenner’s book: “It confirms there was clearly an ongoing dialogue, even if the Israeli government now tries to pretend that none of that all happened.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/29/ken-livingstone-marxist-book-lenni-brenner-defence-israel-comments

    Yup it’s written in a book by a very very learned man, so it must be true.

    Andrew Coates

    September 6, 2016 at 5:34 pm

  4. Next Livingstone will be citing this history book:

    Andrew Coates

    September 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  5. Ken Livingstone has said and done nothing wrong.

    Dean

    September 6, 2016 at 8:58 pm

  6. If the anti-Semite Livingstone is readmitted to the Labour Party, I for one will kick up a gawd-almighty fuss. Corbyn would be ill-advised to do so, no matter how much Milne advises him otherwise.

    Jim Denham

    September 7, 2016 at 12:41 am

  7. And then there’s this. Jim. Andrew …. *collapses in heap*

    Paul Canning (@pauloCanning)

    September 7, 2016 at 1:17 am

  8. Did he give a list of these books? Besides Lennni’s? Did anyone bother asking? Or were they just worried about offending the poor old dear….

    QLineOrientalist

    September 7, 2016 at 4:16 am

  9. A prediction: whoever wins the Labour leadership contest, the party’s most vocal ‘supporters’ will continue to turn their main fire on each other, allowing the Tories to romp home in 2020, no matter how dire their record. Never forget: the main enemy is at home, right there in your own party. And once you’ve lost the next election, you can all have yet more fun recriminating against those bastards on the left or right of the party (according to taste) who are wholly and solely to blame. Fighting the Tories is boring and hard work. Fighting each other – that’s what the left is best at. Keep it up!

    Francis

    September 7, 2016 at 8:49 am

  10. This is also worth noting – and while I have, erm strong disagreements with Hoare I can only express complete solidarity with him on this:

    On being targeted for a harassment campaign by ‘anti-Zionists’ – Marko Attila Hoare
    September 6, 2016 — Engage

    Marko Attila Hoare.

    “Last autumn, a group of ‘anti-Zionists’ launched a harassment campaign against me. Charles Frith, a notorious Holocaust denier and particularly vicious Jew-hater, who had over 32,000 Twitter followers until Twitter suspended his account, telephoned my employers, Kingston University, posing as a job-seeker. After finding out the name of my immediate manager from an unsuspecting colleague, he sent a series of abusive and defamatory emails to me and my senior colleagues, accusing me, among other things, of ‘Zionism’, and turning Kingston into a centre for ‘child abuse’.”

    “Frith had been set on me by his political fellow-travellers. One of these was Damian James Read, who Tweets under the name ‘@CockneyActivist’. Read is a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn and apparently a Labour Party member, and he likes posting pictures of himself online, dressed in Palestinian flags. When David Cameron tweeted in remembrance of the ‘millions murdered in the holocaust’, Read tweeted back that ‘I think you mean 300,000. An horrific event I agree. But not 6 million is it’. Read is on record as claiming that ‘our economy’ is controlled by ‘the Rothschilds’[and refers to the ‘Zionist controlled media’.[He asked rhetorically on Twitter ‘Is it true that the BBC is in fact a dept of the Israel Embassy ? Is that why so many Zionist [sic] seem to have been given top jobs ?’He has ‘liked’ a tweet saying ‘Fuck the Zionist Jewish Apartheid State’ another complaining that the ‘6 million figure seems to have been repeated ad nauseum throught 20thC. Nazis blamed’; and a third saying, in relation to Israel, ‘it’s God chosen [sic] people. God told they [sic] could commit genocide with impunity just like the Nazis’. Read claims he contacted Kingston University, asking them to investigate my online activities. He and his Twitter gang bombarded the Kingston University twitter account with defamatory tweets about me.”

    https://engageonline.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/on-being-targeted-for-a-harassment-campaign-by-anti-zionists-marko-atilla-hoare/

    Andrew Coates

    September 7, 2016 at 12:36 pm

  11. Ken Livingstone’s original remark:
    “Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism…”

    Alfred Rosenberg:
    “Zionism must be vigorously SUPPORTED in order to encourage a significant number of German Jews to leave for Palestine or other destinations.”

    Mystic Bumwipe

    September 7, 2016 at 2:15 pm

  12. thought this was about Keith Vice, sorry Vaz, not Hitler.

    I can’t really bring myself to defend this pervert.
    Colin Wilson of the RS21 or ex swappie group said:

    “But the fact that LGBT members of the ruling class experience oppression differently doesn’t mean they aren’t oppressed at all.”

    So it;s about LGBT oppression!

    https://rs21.org.uk/2016/09/05/why-im-not-celebrating-the-fall-of-keith-vaz/

    this is insane as well.

    George Galloway and Ken should be welcolmed back into the Labour party with open arms.

    Keith Vice/Vaz out, Livingstone in!

    Dean

    September 7, 2016 at 5:38 pm

  13. Much better to hear the opinion of a genuine historian with an international reputation for his study of the Holocaust.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/162914/yehuda-bauer-sets-record-straight-hitler-and-zionism

    Abtalyon

    September 9, 2016 at 2:48 pm


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