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Momentum Invites Richard – Mocker of Burns Victim, Veteran Simon Weston – Seymour to Conference.

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Target of Richard Seymour’s Mockery.

The coming Momentum conference looks intresting.

The “five-day festival” of radical politics will take place alongside the official party conference in Liverpool, and will include talks from the film-maker Ken Loach and the journalist Paul Mason. The Young Fabians’ Greg Dash will be doing a slot at the event, but tells the Staggers it is not an official Young Fabians event (the group will, however, be hosting their own fringe events alongside the conference).

It  has stirred up controversy.

I will not comment on the list of speakers, or the programme (such as available at present)  but it looks pretty obvious that a 5 Day event is going to have a broad range of opinion on the left, and that many of these views, and individuals, would not be palatable to everybody.

That is the nature of democratic debate. 

These are more balanced reports, at least about the event’s content:

Momentum launches “special event” timed with Labour’s conference – but some see it as a rival. (New Statesman)

Momentum event featuring Corbyn ‘is not Labour conference rival’ (Guardian)

It is however of concern, which the Guardian notes,  that this individual is going to have a platform.

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Simon Weston suffered serious injuries whilst on active duty on HMS Sir Galahad when the Argentinians attacked it. His injuries included severe burns to his face.

Richard Seymour wrote in a comment:

“If he knew anything he’d still have his face”.

Seymour refused to apologise on his comment which appeared on an article written by Simon Weston in the Daily Telegraph.

The Guardian no doubt underlined Seymour’s appearance for the simple reason that they refused to have anything more to do with him after these vile, anti-disabled, comments were written.

GUARDIAN CONFIRMS RICHARD SEYMOUR DOES NOT WORK FOR THEM AFTER HATE POST.

More on this story: here. 

Apparently Seymour has not learnt to curb his tongue.

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It seems that Trolling is now an acceptable part of the political scene.

Or it is, if this creature is invited.

 Seymour would go down well in certain quarters with further remarks – perhaps a few jokes – about making those fighting on the side of the   ‘imperialists’ disabled, or murdering them.

Well-established rumour has it that he could have them rolling in aisles.

We hope this does not include Momentum.

Written by Andrew Coates

August 19, 2016 at 5:11 pm

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  1. And then there’s this ( a comrade wrote to me) …

    Line-up of some of the speakers for the big Momentum event at Labour Party conference (if it goes ahead) in Liverpool:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/momentum-conference-stuffed-with-anti-labour-speakers_uk_57b5da4ce4b0c5667a0768cb

    Speakers include Cat Boyd of RISE.

    The problem with having her speak is: a) Cat Boyd; b) RISE.

    Cat Boyd/RISE are rabidly anti-Labour (far more anti-Labour than the SWP). They count for nothing in Scotland (see their election results in May of 2016). One of their leaders (Jonathan Shafi) called for a constituency vote for the SNP in the Holyrood elections. Their only policy is for a second independence referendum. They took no position on the EU referendum (as it would have split them down the middle). Insofar as they have people around them, they systematically miseducate them politically. In practice, their politics are simply nationalist, not some nationalist ‘variant’ of class politics. Their members in Unite whom I’ve across line up with the bureaucracy (as a trade off for being given places on constitutional committees).

    You’d really have to go back to the RCP to find a similar bunch of self-preening prima donnas (with the difference that the RCP had some intellectual ‘weight’, whereas RISE are merely pretentious, and Cat Boyd – laughably described as a ‘trade union activist’ – is the most pretentious of them all).

    There has been no discussion with Momentum Scotland about this invite. A post about it went up on the Momentum Scotland Facebook page an hour ago. It attracted more comments in an hour – condemning the invite – than any other post on the Facebook page ever has.

    Jim Denham

    August 19, 2016 at 6:39 pm

  2. […] What do you think. Here. […]

  3. Seymour is another trotskyite hypocrite.
    the labour party will get nowhere with these losers.

    Dean

    August 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm

  4. Seymour is no Trotskyist: more of an anarcho-Stalinist (quite a few of them about, unfortunately, at the moment).

    Jim Denham

    August 19, 2016 at 11:58 pm

  5. Same guy who denounces all cops as racists brutes but had his life saved by a cop.

    @pplswar

    August 20, 2016 at 12:48 am

  6. Why not?

    Jim Denham

    August 20, 2016 at 5:58 am

  7. That is appalling.

    I believe you Jim – though they seem even worse than I thought.

    Andrew Coates

    August 20, 2016 at 12:32 pm

  8. The level of censorship being proposed here by supposed democrats is breathtaking. What are you saying that anyone who said a stupid thing in a twitter or Facebook post, or is unwilling to support Labour in elections is banned from Momentum public debates? Good on Momentum for inviting people who disagree with them for a debate and argument – that’s how you win people over.

    This is all part and parcel of “the right not to be offended”, any one who says something someone deems to be offensive is banned from debates – let’s defend free speech and argument. Most people who follow Seymour know he is a big mouth on Facebook, that is the place to tackle it. It is not our task to join in the Bliarite and right-wing witch-hunt against Corbyn and his supporters, of which the Guardian is a major mouthpiece.

    mckee1917

    August 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm

  9. mckee1917,

    I don’t think this is a free-speech issue as meeting organisers are not obliged to invite all and sundry to events and Seymour still has the ability to express his views via a number of high-profile platforms. Also, I think there has to be an element of symmetry in these arguments – the age old question of how tolerant should we should be of the intolerant. Where people come from political traditions which are often dismissive of basic human rights (free speech, free organisation, a free press) why should there be an obligation for democratic socialists (who sincerely defend such rights) to engage with them?

    alex ross

    August 20, 2016 at 2:02 pm

  10. You miss the point Alex. Seymour and Cat Boyd have been invited and the people above are arguing that they should be disinvited for their views/comments. Neither of them are fascists or racists why shouldn’t they speak if invited?

    mckee1917

    August 20, 2016 at 10:28 pm

  11. I have not any comment about his right to free speech, or his right to make fun of people with disabilities, or to wish people are stabbed.

    It is however hard to see why such an individual should be on a left platform.

    Andrew Coates

    August 21, 2016 at 11:15 am

  12. Because he’s a socialist who has written a book about Corbyn?

    mckee1917

    August 21, 2016 at 4:32 pm

  13. I’m not sure why being a purported “socialist” exempts you…as I said, the Labour party is supposed to be a **democratic** socialist organisation – at least in terms of its written aims. Those from more backward authoritarian traditions should f**k right off. Why draw the line at fascists and racists? Let those from traditions which don’t respect universal human rights spout their nonsense freely…just don’t invite them onto democratic left platforms.

    alex ross

    August 22, 2016 at 9:49 am

  14. Yes that’s the point Alex.

    Andrew Coates

    August 22, 2016 at 11:42 am

  15. Thank you Alex Ross for spelling out the sane position so succinctly

    Dave

    August 31, 2016 at 12:21 pm

  16. A risible attempt at a mea culpa if there ever was one. If these comments were sent as direct or private messages that would be one thing; but one out of two of these comments were posted underneath someone’s comment, a sure indication to the sound mind that they were not ‘private.’ So either he is not of sound mind, lying… or both.

    @pplswar

    October 19, 2016 at 9:33 pm


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