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Mannan Family Joins the Islamic State, a “land that is free from the corruption and oppression of man made law.”

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Fatima Az Zahra: Here we are killing the non-believers in order to expand the Islamic State.

Yesterday (Independent):

Fatima Az Zahra: Italy’s ‘Lady Jihad’ who joined Isis in Syria and then persuaded her family to follow on Skype.

It is news that has transfixed Italy. In a few short years an educated and articulate young woman converted to Islam, became radicalised and went to join Isis in Syria before persuading her family to join her.

Fatima Az Zahra, née Maria Giulia Sergio, appeared on a TV talk show in 2009, debating fiercely with right-wing politicians following her conversion from Roman Catholic to Muslim.

After marrying a local pizza-maker of Moroccan origin, the Naples-born 27-year-old, dubbed “Lady Jihad” by the Italian press, rejected her husband’s moderate brand of Islam and left him for an Albanian, Aldo Kobuzi, who “interpreted the faith in the correct way”, as she told a friend, before travelling to Syria with Mr Kobuzi and his mother in September last year.

These comments stands out:

But her views changed radically as she embraced the toxic ideology of Isis. “Here we are killing the non-believers in order to expand the Islamic State. We don’t want to be friends with the non-believers, we don’t want to have anything to do with them,” she said on Skype to her family.

“These are not just idle words, these are obligations… You should see what the Mujahideen do for love of Allah… 15- and 16-year-olds killing 50 non-believers… That’s what we have to do to expand the Islamic State.”

Today, the BBC has just reported

A UK family of 12 who went missing have joined so-called Islamic State and are “safer than ever”, according to a statement said to be on their behalf.

The statement, purportedly sent by a member of IS, said it was “outrageous” to suggest the family had been kidnapped and forced to join the group.

It called on all Muslims to join them and “hasten to the obedience of Allah”.

The family from Luton has not been seen since 17 May and includes three children aged between one and 11.

Police have previously said they may have travelled to Syria.

The BBC has not been able to independently verify if the statement, which includes two photos purportedly of family member Muhammed Abdul Mannan, is genuine.

FROM THE MANNAN FAMILY IN THE LAND OF KHILAFAH.

In the name of Allah the Merciful and especially Merciful

We release this statement to confirm that, indeed we are in the Islamic State. A land that is free from the corruption and oppression of man made law and is governed by the shariah, the perfect and just laws of Allah subhanAllah wa Ta’la.

Yes, all 12 of us and why should this number be shocking, when there are thousands and thousands of Muslims from all corners of the world that are crossing over land and sea everyday to come to the Islamic State? That are willingly leaving the so called freedom and democracy that was forced down our throat in the attempt to brainwash Muslims to forget about their powerful and glorious past and now present.

Or is it shocking that those attempts have clearly failed? That regardless of being born and bred in the west, the epitome of democracy, our Islam was not washed away? And despite the totalitarian rules that are in place, Muslims are still awaking to their obligations?

Don’t be shocked when we say that none of us were forced against our will. In fact it is outrageous to think that an entire family could be kidnapped and made to migrate like this. It wasn’t by the command of a single person in the family but by the command of the Khalifah of the Muslims. Who has called all Muslims, whether young or old, single or in families, to make hijrah to the state of Islam. A land that has established the Shariah, in which a Muslim doesn’t feel oppression when practising their religion. In which a parent doesn’t feel the worry of losing their child to the immorality of society. In which the sick and elderly do not wait in agony, tolerating the partiality of race or social class.

Alhamdulillah for the establishment of the Khilafah.

We say to those that are concerned for our safety to put your hearts at rest for we feel safer than we have ever felt before. We call all Muslims, to rush to the command of your khalif. Race to your state. Race to what will give you honour in this life and the hereafter. Hasten to the obedience of Allah. Do not fear losing the life you built for yourselves by making hijrah but fear losing your Imaan and Islam whilst residing in darul kufr and not making hijrah.

‘Verily! As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, “In what condition were you?”. They replied, “We were weak and oppressed on earth”. The Angels asked, “Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell – what an evil destination!” [Chapter Nisa:97]

We pray Allah saves from such a fate and guides us all to be obedient to His commands. Ameen.

 The Mannan Family in the Islamic State.

There is no reference whatsoever to Western foreign policy or interventions.

Instead there are complaints about the “totalitarian rules” of “so-called freedom and democracy” and its “immorality”, “tolerating the partiality of race or social class”.

The answer to this “feeling” of “oppression”  “when practising their religion?”

Emigration to “A land that is free from the corruption and oppression of man made law and is governed by the shariah, the perfect and just laws of Allah subhanAllah wa Ta’la.”

Where, as Fatima Az Zahra says, they are busy  “killing the non-believers in order to expand the Islamic State

More on Harry’s Place.

Written by Andrew Coates

July 4, 2015 at 11:42 am

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  1. I hope they all reach Paradise soon. Interestingly, the quote from some sacred book or other says that it is a religious duty for those who are weak and oppressed to flee persecution: nothing there about taking arms against a sea of troubles and ending, or about the weak banding together to overthrow the bullies. No theorgy of social change in Islam it would appear. Actually, an article I was reading yesterday was saying that the Islamic State is doing very bably at attracting the large numbers of people it needs to maintain itself. There is only a dribble of ‘Belivers’ not the thousands that should be flooding over there if it is to have any credibility. Muslims aren’t daft; they know which side their bread is buttered on. That is why the strategy of exporting terror is so important; otherwise, they will lose face.

    Sue R

    July 4, 2015 at 12:45 pm

  2. Daesh, like all Islamists, are pretty feeble and derivative when it comes to Millennarianism (or Chiliasm).

    Their Day of Judgement seems thin gruel compared to this chap’s.

    “God commands all the birds of the heavens to devour the flesh of the princes and commands the wild animals to drink the blood of the mighty ones.”

    Münster Rebellion\: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_Rebellion

    It seems that it’s only Daesh excels in only in slavery, rape, torture, murder, and genocide.
    ― Thomas Muntzer

    “Omnia sunt communia, ‘All property should be held in common’ and should be distributed to each according to his needs, as the occasion required. Any prince, count, or lord who did not want to do this, after first being warned about it, should be beheaded or hanged.”
    ― Thomas Muntzer

    Andrew Coates

    July 4, 2015 at 4:32 pm

  3. Not quite sure what point you are trying to make here, Andrew. It’s not news that Dash is a vicious death cult, nor that a certain small proportion of Muslims in the West are bigoted, zealous and stupid enough to want to sign up. Harry’s Place, where you got this from, has its usual liberal-militarist schtick to peddle, and so the fact that these head cases failed to mention Western intervention fits HP’s agenda of denying any link whatsoever between intervention and the rise of jihadism. But surely you have no reason to push that line?

    I’m waiting to see the horror stories from some of these people who have gone out to their dream caliphate only to find the grim truth. It will be a genre of literature to rival all that ‘god that failed’ stuff of the 1930s and cold war…

    Francis

    July 4, 2015 at 6:28 pm

  4. Francis, these people are giving away that their prime motive in going to Syria is to murder non-believers and be part of a barbaric, intolerant, genocidal colonial state.

    Please, do explain to us how a remotely logical ‘response’ to western intervention in the Middle East is to go to the Middle East and dispossess, enslave, rape, torture and murder the people already there? You know, the same populations whose suffering under at the hands of the Evil West British these jihadis are supposedly so upset and aggrieved about.

    Clinging to the discredited idea that western intervention causes or produces or provokes such behaviour is about as credible as an ‘excuse’ as someone who massacres a load of pensioners claiming they were motivated by by the government’s unjust treatment of the elderly, or that a man raping a woman is a protest against sexualised western culture. Or that privatising a state asset is a form of protest against capitalism.

    It’s just nonsense. It’s a feeble excuse that suits your own feelings about the fault of ‘the West’ but does not correspond at all with the actual actions of these people. It makes no logical sense. Give it up and stop being an apologist for these scumbags. They are not ‘responding’ to anything but the opportunity to live out their sick supremacist fantasies.

    Lamia

    July 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm

  5. “I’m waiting to see the horror stories from some of these people who have gone out to their dream caliphate only to find the grim truth.”

    I’m not. I hope as many of them as possible are killed in Syria. The suffering of numerous innocent Syrians at the hands of these genocidal colonialist bigots should be our concern, not whether the latter find their holiday in our other people’s blood a bit disillusioning.

    If they do return they should be jailed for life; but we can be sure that these poor little fascist scumbags will be wept over by ‘compassionate’ ‘anti-imperialist’ left. It’s their victims you never have any time for.

    Lamia

    July 4, 2015 at 10:52 pm

  6. […] Source: Mannan Family Joins the Islamic State, a “land that is free from the corruption and oppression… […]

  7. An image grab taken from a video made available by Jihadist media outlet Welayat Homs on July 4th, 2015 allegedly shows 25 Syrian government soldiers kneeling as, what appears to be children or teenagers, are brought in to execute them. Photograph: Getty

    Andrew Coates

    July 5, 2015 at 10:47 am

  8. Francis, I got it from Facebook.

    The first story I got from the ‘I’, which is the British daily paper I buy.

    Had I been around during the Stalinist period, and had had a Blog, I would have posted material about what had been happening during the Great Terror – in line with the articles my comrades from the period (the anti-Stalinist left) had made available.

    The fact is that Western ‘intervention’ – even more complicated given the support given by Western allies like the Saudis for Al-Nusra – is a mess is no reason not to broadcast what’s happening from the roof tops.

    As Lamina says, this movement has a dynamic of its own.

    Or perhaps you will tell me that the rise of Islamist violence in Algeria before and after the 1991 military action was a product of ‘Western intervention” or that Sayyid Qutb’s ideas were the result of the Gulf War.

    On bigotry try this for size,

    “The American is primitive in his artistic taste, both in what he enjoys as art and in his own artistic works. “Jazz” music is his music of choice. This is that music that the Negroes invented to satisfy their primitive inclinations, as well as their desire to be noisy on the one hand and to excite bestial tendencies on the other. The American’s intoxication in “jazz” music does not reach its full completion until the music is accompanied by singing that is just as coarse and obnoxious as the music itself. Meanwhile, the noise of the instruments and the voices mounts, and it rings in the ears to an unbearable degree… The agitation of the multitude increases, and the voices of approval mount, and their palms ring out in vehement, continuous applause that all but deafens the ear.”

    Sayyid Qutb

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb#Two_Years_in_America

    Andrew Coates

    July 5, 2015 at 11:03 am

  9. “the fact that these head cases failed to mention Western intervention fits HP’s agenda of denying any link whatsoever between intervention and the rise of jihadism.” – Francis

    Let’s accept the argument, for the moment, that the mess that was (and is) the Iraq war boosted the rise of Isis and Jihadism in the region.

    So what?

    I would argue that the Versailles Treaty imposed on Germany after the First World War played a major part in the rise of the Nazis which led to the Second World War. Does this mean that Britain and the Allies should not have opposed Hitler due to their playing a part in his rise?

    No, it doesn’t and the case is the same today with regards to Isis.

    Despite everything that has happened in the region, the Americans have played a part in defending Kobane with their airstrikes at the end of last year. I could find many quotes from Kurds there who believe this. However, the majority of the Far Left in this country refuse to admit this because it goes against their “narrative.”

    The Kurds and their allies in the region are faced with a life and death struggle against Isis. They are therefore perfectly entitled to make a deal with Nato if they need to. It would be better if the Kurds were allowed to get the arms they need. But Realpolitik in the region is the problem not the Kurds.

    John R

    July 5, 2015 at 12:33 pm

  10. Have to agree with John R in the last quote here.

    That Sayyid Qutb quote could almost be the pro-Islamist Left in the UK talking about pretty much any African-American musical development this side of “Three Times a Lady”.

    februarycallendar

    July 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm

  11. last quote – last *post*

    februarycallendar

    July 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm

  12. Absolutely John.

    “Explaining” the rise of Daesh and Islamic racism (to cite but two cases at issue here) easily slips into “justifying” it.

    See this and I realise it is the Mail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3149629/Laugh-loud-UK-schoolgirl-jihadi-s-sick-reaction-Tunisian-massacre-series-extraordinary-online-messages-undercover-MOS-reporter.html?ito=social-facebook

    Andrew Coates

    July 5, 2015 at 3:53 pm

  13. It is vile and ought to give pause for thought to anyone who imagines these psychopaths should ever be allowed back into the UK. Unfortunately you will not find such evidence reported by the Guardian or BBC – both of which platformed the ‘poor’ ‘bewildered’ teddy-bear-clutching father of Amir Abase but resolutely refused to report the subsequent information that he had taken his children to extremist rallies including those headed by Anjem Choudary.

    It’s easy enough for Francis to sneer about the provenance of such information – less easy to explain why his own favoured media sources are so often dishonestly quiet about what Islamists actually do and say’. If you rely on the Guardian and BBC – or perhaps Francis takes his information from the Morning Star – you would simply be unaware that Amir Abase and her family are anything other than idealistic/victims. That is not the truth. The truth is far nastier.

    Lamia

    July 5, 2015 at 4:30 pm

  14. Lamia: “I hope as many of them as possible are killed in Syria.” The children as well? How would you like them to die? Slowly and painfully, or quickly? (It always amazes me just how amoral the perpetually morally indignant tend to be, when it comes down to it…)

    The most brutal forms of jihadism generally thrive in the Islamic world where there is conflict and chaos. War is the most potent cause of both conflict and chaos. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, we see the greatest concentrations of these jihadis, and in the first three at least, foreign military action has been a potent factor in causing the chaos. Additionally, it bolsters a central plank of the jihadi ideology, the notion that the Islamic world is under attack, and that the jihadis are the ones fighting back. To recognise this, is not to justify anything. It is simply to try to understand it.

    You can all refuse to see the connection if it suits your political purposes. Facts can be inconvenient things. Far better to follow the advice of dear old John Major: ‘Society needs to condemn a little more and understand a little less’.

    What to *do* about jihadism is a separate question. Overall, bombing from on high has tended to make the situation worse, although it certainly appeals to the bloodlust of our amoral moralists.

    Francis

    July 10, 2015 at 12:38 am


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