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Tunisian Slaughter will Stop When Tunisia Stops Invading Middle East and Backing War on Terror: Stop the War Coalition.

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Tunisians Demonstrate Against Terrorist Murders.

Latest news on the Tunisian atrocity:

The number of Britons killed in Friday’s beach massacre in Tunisia is now expected to pass 30, it has emerged, as hundreds of British police were deployed in one of the biggest counter-terror operations since the London bombings on 7 July 2005.

Informed sources said the eventual death toll could be even higher. So far only 15 Britons have been confirmed among the 38 dead in a process overseen by a British coroner whose job has been complicated because of the nature and location of the attack, and the numbers involved.

The assault is already the biggest loss of British life to terrorism since the 2005 London bombings in which a total of 56 people including the attackers were killed.


This is how the Stop the War Coalition (StWC)  has reacted:

After terrorist atrocity in Tunisia it’s time to face facts: ISIS is a child of US-UK wars.

Lindsey German.

HERE IS a sense of shock and horror at the series of terror attacks which took place yesterday.

One can only condemn attacks which lead to the deaths of innocent people, whether praying in a mosque or lying on a beach.

The claiming of these actions by ISIS speaks of a strategy which is not just about fighting in the Middle East but about bringing the war into Europe.

ISIS explicitly stated with the Tunisia attacks that they were in response to members of the coalition at present bombing in Iraq and Syria.

While we can all condemn the attacks we need to also try to understand he reasons why they happen.

ISIS is the child of war, the creation of more than a decade of invasion, occupation and bombing in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere.

It’s brutality was forged those wars, funded by Saudi princes, facilitated by the Turkish government which allowed it to cross its borders, tacitly supported by Middle East despots.

Isis and other terrorist groups have grown as a result of the civil war in Syria, the bombing of Libya and the sectarian tensions fostered by the US in Iraq.

Support for it has also grown in western countries because of the way in which Muslims are treated here. The growth of Islamophobia means that Muslims are repeatedly under attack by government, police, media and the establishment.

The Prevent strategy in Britain is an attempt to criminalise, to spy on and to censor the Muslim community.

The vast majority of Muslims reject terrorism, but they are now being told that even if they are non violent extremists, this leads to violent extremism. The only   Muslim acceptable to them are those who raise no criticism of government policy.

Racism and attacks on civil liberties will only serve to marginalise young Muslims.

All these policies are symptomatic of government failure in its various policies.

The war on terror has created more terrorism. The prevent strategy has not prevented anything but has bred resentment among Muslims.

These are the problems which need to be addressed if we are to stop the tragedies like those on Friday, and the daily tragedies which afflict so many people in the Middle East.

Source: Stop the War Coalition.

This bundle of mendacious confusion shows why no progressive should back the ‘Stop the War Coalition’.

Some “problems which need to be addressed” by the StWC.

  • Whatever the ultimate causes of the growth of the Islamic State/Caliphate/Daesh, what are the StWC proposing to do to fight it?
  • Is support for the Daesh  in “western countries” a result of European ‘Islamophobia’? What kind of reaction to this feeling is joining a genocidal organisation that murders, rapes, and enslaves? What causal link is being made her? What kind of counterfactual conditions are explored? How many other victims of racism and Western ill-treatment turn to mass murder?
  • Is Tunisia in the Middle East or in  Europe? Is Tunisia bombing Iraq and Syria? As it is not, the wish to overthrow a democratic secular government looks a more probable reason for this attack than the fantasy offered by the StWC.
  • The StWC shows not the slightest concern about the victims of these genociders, the martyrs slaughtered in Syria and Iraq, and women abused and treated as chattel, the people living under their totalitarian oppression.
  • The War on Terror may be fundamentally flawed, but when will the StWC support the very real war carried on by the Kurdish people against Daesh?

The fact is that Tunisia and the Maghreb more widely faces a violent Islamist threat that predates the rise of Daesh.

It includes the assassination of prominent Tunisian leftists, the beloved martyrs  Chokri Belaid and Mohamed Brahmi (both in 2013).

Born in the Middle East at present, Daesh has a dynamic of its own: its ideology, backed by substantial finance and resources,  has become a material force.

Whether or not this is “real” Quranic Islam or not is irrelevant.

Daesh is part of actually existing Islamism.

It has created a totalitarian prison, its own ‘ruling class’, grounded on religious tyranny, sexual apartheid,  exploitation, and genocide.

As in this:

Its Western recruits and sympathisers are the modern equivalent of those complicit in the acts of the Second World War Einsatzgruppen.

There should be not the slightest tolerance shown to these criminals.

The immediate objective of progressives should be to back the democratic forces fighting them: in the first instance the Kurdish Partiya Yekîtiya Demokrat‎, the PYD and its armed wing.


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  1. Time to play “Inevitable Consequences”.

    But seriously folks.

    Let’s remember that Ms German and her erstwhile Comrades in the SWP wanted Stop the War to give unconditional support to the “Iraqi Resistance” in 2004/5.

    As their TUSC partners, the Socialist Party, write,

    “On one occasion, they committed the blunder of composing a press statement in which they gave ‘unconditional support to the Iraqi resistance’. In this ‘resistance’ were openly sectarian forces, including al-Qa’ida, with which the StWC would have been associated if this press statement was seen as its position.”


    The SWP’s American section (Feb 2005) put their position this way,

    “Even if it were true that the resistance was dominated by Baathists and hard-line Islamists, this wouldn’t be the central issue. Whatever the religious and political affiliations of the different resistance organizations and groupings, the main goal– the one that unites various forces of the Iraqi resistance–is “to liberate their country from foreign occupation.” It is precisely this agenda of the resistance that requires our support.

    DO THE Iraqi people have a right to self-determination or not? If they do, then they have a right to resist U.S. occupation, using whatever means at their disposal. ”


    As Isis grew out of the “Iraqi Resistance”, we have to ask do the leaders of Stop the War, despite the words of condemnation, give critical support to them?

    John R

    June 29, 2015 at 1:50 pm

  2. Lindsey German and co support the ‘right’ of jihadists from all round the world to ‘liberate’ ‘their’ countries, Syria and Iraq, from the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, Shias and the wrong kind of Sunni Muslim who apparently have no right to live there. They are persecuting, enslaving, raping, torturing and killing all those civilians as an act of ‘resistance’ against the Evil West (and the Jooos; same thing really).

    Still, you can see why past or present members of the SWP would feel sympathy for a bunch of rapists.


    June 29, 2015 at 2:09 pm

  3. Good points John and Lamina.

    It was precisely on this issue, of the ‘right’ of the (unqualified and un-analysed) ‘resistance’ to ‘liberate’ Iraq that marked my personal deepest break with these political forces.

    In Tariq Ali’s case it was when he started talking, in only lightly disguised language, about some elements of the Taliban in these terms that I began to realise what a complete fool he was.

    This kind of politics, going back to 1960s Third Worldism, was not very functional then; today it is complete rubbish.

    A minimum basis for left support has to be that a group is democratic in aims and practice and has a popular social base, that is it is not sectarian, religious, ethnically exclusive . Or to put it another way, have a commitment to universal human rights.

    Another is that we should have a grasp of what these groups are, where they come from, and what they want for the future.

    Any qualifications (military struggles are not known to help democracy work) should be as limited as possible.

    This naturally applies to regimes like Egypt, which is at present not known for its human rights commitment, and a whole range of states, movements, parties, and…..as Patrick Cockburn today,

    “What makes the killings in a suburb of Lyon, the beach at Sousse and the Imam al-Sadiq mosque in Kuwait so different from – and in some ways more menacing than – the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks is that today these crimes are promoted by a government, in the shape of the self-declared caliphate, which has a more powerful army and rules more people than most members of the UN.


    Above all in a world where this is a major issue: we should side with the left, not with Islamist reaction – in whatever guise it comes in (form what Seumas Milne coyly calls “conservatories” to genociders).

    The Arab Spring and its aftermath is a big subject, but

    Andrew Coates

    June 29, 2015 at 4:15 pm

  4. “What makes the killings in a suburb of Lyon, the beach at Sousse and the Imam al-Sadiq mosque in Kuwait so different from – and in some ways more menacing than – the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks is that today these crimes are promoted by a government, in the shape of the self-declared caliphate, which has a more powerful army and rules more people than most members of the UN.”

    Cockburn is making an obvious statement of fact here, but is a fact that all sorts of people, from Cameron and Obama to the far left, seem to be anxious to play down, ‘forget’ or ignore. While ISIS has a sort of ‘state’ it will attract far more followers, because their sick dreams will have some substance. Put ISIS to the sword and on the run in Syria and Iraq and they won’t give up but they will be a far less credible and attractive prospect for young Muslims. As bin Laden himself noted, “People follow the strong horse”. We can do all sorts of things regarding security and prevention at home but they will not have much effect so long as radical Muslims witness the ongoing geographical existence of a ‘Caliphate’. That has to be ended by force, and as soon as possible.


    June 30, 2015 at 10:12 am

  5. @redkorat – Trotskyism is not Bolshevism. Trotsky was a Menshevik for most of his life. you should read this, the cpgb ml.

    you guys are deeply confused, and i’m not sure why you even bother. even according to the UN, defending your country from foreign occupiers is a basic right.

    i have no love at all for Islamists, and i can’t be bothered to pretend. but we don’t choose the opposition, and in many cases there is no left. to support intervention, as this blog does, and as does the AWL, is deeply dishonest and just left posturing. I prefer Assad to stay to power rather than IS or any US backed opposiition. doesn’t mean i’m pro Assad, but there are limited options.

    the Stwc has lost the plot and become irrelevant,along with counterfart.

    are you seriously going to say that unless they are liberal democrats, they have no right to resist imperialism? you can say it, but don’t expect support, and expect people to see you are pro imperialist left.


    June 30, 2015 at 10:13 am

  6. Interesting background on Yassin Salhi, the murderer in France presently claiming that he was motivated by personal grievances not Islamism. (Hat-tip DT)

    September 15, 2012,
    “JTA — A French court this week handed a six-month suspended jail sentence to a young man who attacked a Jewish train passenger.

    The Sept. 10 ruling by the criminal court of Lyon was the result of a complaint filed by the SPCJ, the French Jewish community’s watchdog against anti-Semitism.

    The aggressor, who was not identified by name in French media, hit a man wearing a kippah on Jan. 26, 2011, aboard a train traveling from Paris to Lyon.

    “You Jews with your skullcaps, you think you run the world,” he said, adding profanities. The aggressor then followed the Jewish man to the train bar, making derogatory remarks about him, his mother, father “and your whole race.” He then hit the man in the chest.

    The SPCJ said it welcomed the sentence.

    In July, two men of North African descent exchanged blows with a Jewish teenager aboard a train from Toulouse to Lyon. The teenager said one of them, Yassine Salhi, had made anti-Semitic remarks. That case is currently being investigated by French prosecutors.”


    Andrew Coates

    June 30, 2015 at 11:21 am

  7. A majority of racist attacks in France are against Jews. This is good at looking at the robustness of those figures http://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7552943/france-anti-semitism

    Yet French Jews are not attacking random French Muslims.

    @Lamia – yes, I have seen glossy Daesh propaganda about living under Sharia. Which is odd as they could go to Saudi Arabia for that! Turkey seems to be absolved of responsibility, they are waving foreign kids through over the border, not just people claiming to be refugee workers. Same time as, as I reported they allow a ‘caliphate’ march in Istanbul during Ramadan yet use Ramadan as an excuse to attack Gay Pride.

    Paul Canning

    June 30, 2015 at 12:16 pm

  8. “defending your country from foreign occupiers is a basic right. ”

    Weasel words. Do explain to us, if you can, how ISIS jihadis from all over the world who are NOT from Syria or Iraq are ‘defending their country’ when they travel to Syria and Iraq and ethnically cleanse, enslave, rape and murder Syrians and Iraqis.

    How, for instance are the Kurds, Assyrians, Yazidis, Shia Muslims and most ordinary Syrian Sunnis ‘occupying’ Mohammed Emwazi’s ‘country’?

    You are not an opponent of imperialism, you’re just an apologist for the Islamist brand of it.


    June 30, 2015 at 12:17 pm

  9. The artist behind the so-called ‘ISIS dildo flag’, hilariously misreported on by CNN, has now been tracked down. The non-anonymous Paul Coombes told PinkNews “the flag of ‘Dildosis’, a conceptual organisation he has set up as a counterpoint to ISIS, established for the advancement of an ecstatic state”.

    More about the very brave Coombes at his website http://www.paulcoombs.co.uk/

    Paul Canning

    June 30, 2015 at 1:43 pm

  10. “The Guardian Compass”. (“I thought it was a crazed gunman inspired by Islamic Fascism who killed the tourists in Tunisia. Then Lindsey lent me her Guardian Compass and I realised who was really at fault.” Mr J. C. Islington North)

    Now available at the “Stop the War” coalition shop.

    John R

    June 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm

  11. Lamia – i thought i made it clear that I think Assad should be supported, not ISIS. Galloway was right here. So, cut your phoney moral outrage.

    it is considered a right according to the UN to defend your country. So Hezbullah are right and should be supported against the Israelis. IS and Hezbullah are quite different, and Hezbullah are also right IS.

    the west is to blame for much, as if interventionism doesnt have real effects. there is nothing to celebrate with Islamists, but to back western intervention the way that the AWL, this site, and commentators do is not really leftist at all. Drop the marxist posturing, you’re not really marxists or trotskyists. You’re a bit like the RCP which became Spiked. left in origin, but supports neoliberal imperialism. I know it, you knw it to.

    Paul C – its a shame about the pride march in Istanbul, but there are more important issues, frankly. much of the non western world is not buying this gay imperialism. this doesn’t make me homophobic, its just a statement of fact.


    June 30, 2015 at 4:45 pm

  12. Giles: I’m not buying your shite or that of the Islamo-fascists, mass-rapists and paedophiles you front for. That doesn’t make me “islamophobic”: it’s just a statement of fact

    Jim Denham

    July 1, 2015 at 8:45 am

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