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Morning Star Attacks “Unhinged” pro-Europe Trotskyist Left’s “alliance with CBI” and David Cameron.

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‘Unhinged” Leftists Say yes to European Unity. 

The Morning Star has published and extraordinary article, EU Referendum: Vote to Get Out, by Brian Denny (No2EU spokesman)  in support of the Campaign to vote to withdraw from the European Union.

It is headlined with a sentence containing this, “the EU functions as a cheerleader for unconfined monopoly capitalism.”

Younger readers may not have heard of “monopoly capitalism” which is known partly from Harry  Braverman’s Labor and Monopoly Capital (1974) but owed its currency in Orthodox Communist circles under the name of “State Monopoly Capitalism.”

Elaborated by post-war Soviet, Eastern European and Western European Communist party economists ideologues, it is one of the planks of ” Marxist–Leninism”. The  thesis is that big business, having achieved a monopoly or cartel position in most markets of importance, fuses with the government apparatus. A kind of financial oligarchy or conglomerate therefore results, whereby government officials aim to provide the social and legal framework within which giant corporations can operate most effectively. This is a close partnership between big business and government, and it is argued that the aim is to integrate trade-unions completely in that partnership.” (Wikipedia)

State monopoly capitalism formed the foundation of the programme of the  1960s French Parti Communiste Français, and other orthodox Communist Parties. It featured in the Communist Party of Great Britain’s programme, such as Britain’s Road to Socialism (1968).

At present the Communist Party of Britain, CPB  (best known for the Morning Star) believes that the emphasis has shifted.

The European Union and Marxist theory and practiceRobert Griffiths, Communist Party of Britain general secretary 2004 (Extracts)

The drive to construct a monopoly capitalist United States of Europe with a common foreign and military policy has the same three-fold purpose identified by Lenin in 1916: to promote monopoly capitalism and suppress socialism at home, to exploit neo-colonies abroad and to compete against rival imperialist powers and in particular the US. At the global level, it should be no surprise that the EU is a champion of privatisation, the free movement of capital, GATS and other archetypal ‘globalisation’ measures aimed at the developing and former socialist countries.

It is the drive to a United States of Europe which threatens, in our assessment, to undermine and circumvent the democratic institutions of EU member states. More specifically, EU laws and treaties have sought to limit the powers of democratic national parliaments – themselves the product of long working class struggle – precisely in those areas where they might limit the power and freedom of capital. Meanwhile, such unelected EU institutions as the European Commission and the European Central Bank acquire powers to initiate and enforce policies of privatisation, deregulation and monetarism enshrined in EU fundamental law.

In the present day, popular sovereignty is the struggle to impose the will of the working class and its allies – the vast majority of the nation – over monopoly capital. In Britain, the campaigns against participation in imperialist wars and in the US Star Wars programme are embryonic expressions of the aspiration for popular – and not just national – sovereignty.

Our party does not see anything progressive in the drive to construct an imperialist military United States of Europe. We do not believe that the creation of a rival imperialist super-power bloc, even if can be achieved despite its internal contradictions, would be a valuable ‘counter-weight’ to US imperialism. The two super-powers would collaborate with one another, and do rotten deals with each other, in their joint interest to suppress the working class movement at home and exploit and oppress other peoples around the world.

In the immediate future, as Communists and internationalists in Britain our responsibility is to ensure that the referendum campaigns against the single European currency and the EU constitution are imbued with the same spirit.

Imbued with this ghost of the call for ‘national sovereignty’, not to mention the phantom of the old Soviet Union,  as ramparts against international monopoly capitalism, Brain Denny launches into a tirade.

After an all too brief critique of  the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) Brian Denny follows it up by this:

The EU has also been openly financing a junta that has violently grabbed power in Ukraine and which is led by fascists and revanchist groups promoting a cult around former Nazi collaborators.

This cult focuses particularly on Stepan Bandera, leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, which joined forces with the nazis during the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941.

Numerous monuments to Bandera have been erected, particularly in western Ukraine, including a statue in the city of Lviv, site of one of the largest anti-Jewish pogroms in WWII.

The Kiev regime even saw fit to pass a law under which wartime nazi collaborators, who carried out these mass murders, are officially recognised as “fighters for the freedom of Ukraine.”

At the same time it banned communist symbols and socialist thought across Ukraine.

This repressive, anti-democratic far-right regime is enthusiastically backed by its EU allies. Meanwhile Dmitry Yarosh, the neonazi leader of the Right Sector fascist party, has just been appointed as advisor to the chief of general staff of the armed forces.

This is how the EU projects its power externally on the international scene.

There is more in the same vein about the EU’s crimes, ranging from youth unemployment, privatisation, ” and so-called “free-market competition,” which is actually institutionalised monopoly capitalism”, to the, inevitable issue of fish.

Ultimately, the EU is a Tory project. The Tories took us in, campaigned to stay in, virtually wrote the 1986 Single European Act and supported the Maastricht Treaty and every right-wing, neoliberal treaty ever since.

Europhile Tory leader David Cameron claims that he wants to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership before holding an in-out referendum, probably next year.

But after a private meeting with the prime minister, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said Cameron wants to use the upcoming EU referendum to “dock” Britain permanently to Brussels.

Cameron has no intention of fundamentally changing Britain’s relationship with the EU, mainly because finance capital does not want it altered.

There is no sign that he will end the supremacy of EU law over British law or even that he will keep Britain out of the eurozone in the long run.

Denny then evokes the spectre of ‘Trotskyism’ and its alliance with the Conservatives – perhaps an improvement on previous Stalinist claims about links between Trotskyists and much less pleasant political forces.

Cameron is already building an alliance for his strategy which stretches from the CBI to the more unhinged parts of British Trotskyism.

But, ultimately, by campaigning for a Yes vote you are effectively endorsing all of the above crimes inflicted on Europe and further afield by fundamentally anti-democratic EU institutions.

It is without doubt that this does not refer to the SWP or the Socialist Party, both of which intend, like the CPB, to mark their ballots in the same way as UKIP,  the Tory ‘Eurosceptics’ and their big business supporters.

The “unhinged” left is without doubt here:

Campaign for a workers’ Europe!

This letter will be circulated to gather support for left opposition to UK withdrawal from Europe.

With the formation of “Conservatives for Britain”, the right-wing campaign to exit the EU has begun. Unfortunately, it is likely to be mirrored on the left.

A number of Labour MPs and trade unionists and the Morning Star newspaper will group themselves behind the banner of “Labour for Britain”, saying life will be better for British workers outside the EU.

Far-left groups are likely to dissociate from the nationalist name and from Labour. They say they will organise an internationalist anti-EU campaign, one that defends the rights of migrants.

They are all setting themselves an impossible task: the automatic right of EU workers to migrate to the UK, and of UK workers to migrate to EU countries, will be ended by UK exit. Those that do arrive after a UK exit are likely to come on worse terms than workers currently do, and they will arrive to a climate poisoned by the xenophobia of the referendum campaign, an atmosphere in which the left itself cannot thrive.

A UK outside the EU will offer worse prospects for fighting for workers’ rights than we have staying in. The nationalist right, no friends to workers, will have the political upper-hand in a post-exit UK, and UK workers will lose the possibility of organising a common struggle for better rights by workers across Europe.

The left cannot be anti-EU without being dragged behind the right-wing and anti-migrant backlash. It will raise a tiny voice, inaudible against the right-wing anti-EU campaign which has money, press backing, and establishment support, a campaign that is all about putting up borders and actively restricting migrants coming to the UK. The left-wing voice will be drowned out in the growing nationalist gale.

The concessions Cameron is seeking from the EU also threaten workers’ rights: in the first place, migrant workers’ rights to in-work benefits. He is also likely to seek further opt-outs from those European regulations that benefit workers. Many other EU governments will be sympathetic to Cameron’s vision of the EU: less regulated, more ruthlessly neo-liberal.

The Tories that want to get out and the Tories that want to stay in offer no choice for workers. But we should not be indifferent to the question posed in the referendum. The integration of capitalism results naturally from the process of outgrowing national boundaries, and workers do not have any interest in seeking to turn back the clock of history or re-erect national barriers. We oppose UK exit from the EU.

At the same time, we recognise that the EU, like its constituent member states, is organised primarily in the interests of capital, an increasingly pressured capital, forced to compete with growing industrial powers such as China and India, and therefore looking to liquidate those elements of “Social Europe” that still remain. We should not join any cross-class alliance with pro-EU Tories or business leaders: we do not positively support bosses’ Europe.

Instead, voices on the left are discussing a campaign for a workers’ Europe in the coming referendum. We will:

• defend migrants’ rights and oppose racism;

• vote against UK withdrawal from the EU;

• campaign for a workers’ Europe, based on solidarity between working people.

A reply to Denny by Jim can be seen on Shiraz.

The Tendance has signed the Campaign for a Workers’ Europe declaration.

Yes to a United Social Europe!

Against the chauvinist anti-EU left!

Update: a serious discussion of the problems of the EU, Britain and Europe after the general election: An interview with John Palmer.

Party of the European Left:

…..the Left, if it wants to channel its resistance against the demolition of the social state and of democracy into political alternatives, has to express itself as united at the European level and develop necessary concrete and alternative proposals for a different EU, and a different Europe together.

Why should it not find and determine the common political denominator – not the smallest, but in face of neo-liberal social destruction the largest – in order to successfully exist as an independent political force, and, at the same time, as a partner to  social movements, in order to be recognised as an actor capable of influencing and changing European politics?

In the light of the strength and tradition as well as the expectations of the feminist, ecological, and peace movements, it is high time for the political Left to live up to its responsibility. We want to contribute to the creation and realisation of new political strategies.

This is, without any doubt, the central challenge to left parties in the EU and in Europe, in a situation where neo-liberal thought is occupying ever more space in the minds of the people, a situation of apparent absence of alternatives to capitalist market logic, cost reductions, rigid and outrageous social demolition, and even the economic market sale of the whole society.

The Party of the European Left demands another Europe:


  • a Europe that says no to war and militarization. The European Left is an anti-war Left;
  • a Europe that defends the social states, and renews it, as well as redistributes wealth, power, and influence;
  • a Europe of diverse cultures, of freedom of spirit, and open to the world. The European Left is a cultural Left, which refuses historical revisionism, because it is capable of dealing with its own history critically and respectfully;
  • a Europe open to a world that resists capitalist globalisation. The European Left is critical of capitalism: It is anti-capitalist and aims at a transformation of societies beyond the rule of capitalism;
  • a democratic Europe. The European Left wants to get politics out of the backrooms of power and back into society, onto the squares and streets, into the debates of citizens, men and women of all ages. Politics is a part of movements and it forms parties; the parties act in parliaments and in governments, in initiatives and in extra-parliamentary protests; it is counter-power and a designing force. It is ready to be held accountable, which is what distinguishes parties in the broad social discourse.

We have to work seriously and honestly with all of the people who want to walk this path with us. In the sense of “Carpe diem!” we say: The social, peaceful and solidarity-based Europe needs our intervention! It is just the beginning!


Written by Andrew Coates

June 25, 2015 at 11:46 am

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  1. I tried to leave the comment below on Shiraz but it seems to have disappeared into a spam folder-

    No2EU uses the same arguments as Ukip regarding the free movement of labour and the EU.

    Compare these quotes from Nigel Farage (Ukip), Brian Denny (RMT and No2EU) and Alex Gordon (RMT) on this issue –

    “There is no question that it’s pushed wage inflation down; it’s helped big companies and big corporations and big landowners to make bigger profits – no argument about that.” – Nigel Farage (Ukip. May 2014)


    “The free movement of capital and labour, a cornerstone of EU law, is creating chaos across Europe.” – Brian Denny (RMT, No2EU. April 2014)


    “These EU policies can only mean a continuation of mass migration and, ultimately, feed the poison of racism and fascism, the last refuge of the corporate beast in crisis.

    To reverse this increasingly perverse situation, all nation states must have democratic control over their own immigration policy and have the right to apply national legislation in defence of migrant and indigenous workers.” – Alex Gordon (RMT President. Nov. 2011)


    The No2EU view is that we should oppose the views of Ukip etc by …. adopting their policies on immigration and the EU. Namely, immigration (or “social dumping” as No2EU like to refer to it) has to be restricted more and this can only be done by leaving the EU.

    And why the “social dumping” euphemism anyway? Is it because there’s a certain embarrassment by the Comrades to state that they want stronger immigration controls but, in effectively calling for the same policies as Ukip, have to find a more acceptable turn of phrase?

    Bizarrely, from an unexpected quarter, comes a left-wing defence of the free movement of labour within Europe –

    “The crisis in Europe is real. It is a crisis of growth, of jobs, of governance and of politics. We used to be proud to say that an injury to one is an injury to all. Do we now have limits on our solidarity? We used to argue that a crisis caused by the boss class should not be resolved on the backs of the workers. Have we abandoned that too? For God’s sake, we’re socialists. Surely that rules out policies that are anti-worker?”


    So, is this lefty one of the “unhinged Trotskyites” that Brian Denny refers to or, maybe, an old member of the Maoist British and Irish Communist Organisation who were very pro-EU in the 70s?

    No, it’s ultra-Blairite, John McTernan writing in Sept 2013 just before he moved on to assist Jim Murphy in Scotland. Maybe No2EU would classify him as an “unconscious, unhinged Trotskyite”.

    I don’t know. I am incredibly pessimistic about politics in the UK. Most of the Far-Left have swung over to support Islamism, Scottish Nationalism, anti-EU immigration controls, anti-Zionist “Destroy Israel Now!” and “Support Russia!” with a dash of anti-austerity politics.

    Of course, now every lefty under the sun is swinging behind Jeremy Corbyn’s Leadership Campaign even though he either goes along with these views or will not publicly oppose them in order to not upset his buddies on the fringes.

    Maybe it’s a sign of my deep pessimism but I am very inclined to vote for Liz Kendall if she seems to be the only candidate who can give the Tories a run for their money in 2020. I’ll wait and see though.

    Left politics, though, is certainly in “Alice in Wonderland” country when John McTernan can articulate left views on free movement that the Far-Left now oppose (apart from the “unhinged”).

    The question I’m curiouser and curiouser about though, is – Where does Jeremy stand on all this? Free movement or stricter immigration controls

    John R

    June 25, 2015 at 12:40 pm

  2. It certainly will be interesting to see the position the Labour Representation Committee, which Jeremy Corbyn is part of – takes on the European Referendum.

    The position I take is based on a wider programme for a “social Europe” advanced by groups on the French left, and many parts of the European Left Party – radical structural reform of the EU.

    BICO – or their last incarnation, the Ernest Bevin society – appears no longer around. They were last spotted as a Chartist AGM over 10 years ago.

    I doubt if the CPB was referring to them, though they might remember Tom Nairn’s The Left against Europe? New Left Review I/75, September-October 1972.

    It was the only decent thing he ever wrote.

    Andrew Coates

    June 25, 2015 at 12:59 pm

  3. The conspiracy theory around Ukraine with its straight repetition of Kremlin propaganda memes (‘fascist junta’) is like all conspiracy theories, there is a tiny shred of truth.

    There is a Bandera cult in Ukraine and the law referred to, which is a deliberate distraction from the problems with the government and especially Yatsenyuk, does stink. It is undoubtedly unconstitutional and does not pass muster under European ‘norms’ – Poro has already suggested it needs changing, even though he signed it.

    There is plenty of Ukrainian opposition to this law and some foreign, though not enough, but ‘friends of Ukraine’ who have questioned it tend to be shouted down. This is not good enough. The socialist Jim Kovpak has a piece here comparing how Ukraine is dealing with history compared with Croatia http://nobsrussia.com/2015/06/05/bandera-buttrage-the-aftermath/

    See also Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group on the law http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1431743447

    The invocation of the EU as these people do is ahistorical and, frankly, hilarious. Same goes for NATO. Jim has useful pieces here http://nobsrussia.com/2015/06/17/vat-faq/ and especially here http://nobsrussia.com/2015/06/01/behind-the-scenes-of-maidan/

    My main reason for disgust with these people is how ordinary Ukrainians, including socialists and anarchists, are just fodder for their geopolitics – they deny them agency. They never talk about the struggle of trade unions or of the socialists and anarchists not in their factions, particularly those people who have found themselves in the ‘republics’ run by thugs and criminals.

    Instead of allying with those fighting for real change in Ukraine they insult them all as ‘fascists’. They line up behind Russian lies. Read what real fighters for human rights in Ukraine have to say about the big lie about the events in Odessa in May last year (the lie Pilger got behind) – this is typical, the same is happening over the shooting down of the Malaysian plane and the repression of the Crimean Tartars http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1428196611

    Paul Canning

    June 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

  4. John R: thanks for alerting me to the fact that your BTL comment to Shiraz Socialist got caught in our spam filter: I have now released it.

    Jim Denham

    June 25, 2015 at 3:04 pm

  5. How typical of the fat controller to blame racism and fascism on the victims. Typical also not to demand the same wages and conditions for all but demand the exclusion of the exploited. That’s tankies for you.

  6. Hat tip Paul.

    Andrew Coates

    June 25, 2015 at 4:13 pm

  7. Here’s an idea from the past that No2EU might want to emulate. A “Get Britain Out” referendum meeting (1974) starring –

    1. CND founder and former Labour Leader, Michael Foot!

    2. Spanish Civil War veteran and leader of the TGWU, Jack Jones!

    3. Labour stalwarts, Peter Shore MP and Barbara Castle MP!

    4. And, just to make sure we have as broad an alliance as we can, sitting there beside Barbara Castle, it’s, yes, just a few years after his famous “Rivers of Blood” speech, Enoch Powell!


    C’mon No2EU, the anti-EU Comrades in the 70s were not afraid to form a broad anti-EU alliance with Enoch Powell. So don’t be shy about your de facto alliance with Nigel Farage. Why not have a get together at the Russian Embassy (he likes Putin too!) to sort out your tactics!

    John R

    June 25, 2015 at 5:30 pm

  8. There are indeed people from that quarter (and not only the CPB, this includes the whole No2EU crowd, right up to the SWP and SP), who saw some “progressive” impulses being exploited by UKIP’s obsessive hatred of the EU, though they are keeping rather quiet about this at present.

    And John, I was unaware, incidentally, until your post that Barbara Castle has joined the merry crew with Enoch – thanks.

    Andrew Coates

    June 25, 2015 at 5:36 pm

  9. what if both pro EU and anti EU positions have left and right positions, that are similar. I voting NO to EU! but i dont expect it will win, due to the massive propaganda the other way.

    didn’t lenin talk about monopoly capitalism as part of imperialism?

    Trotskyists are not nazis, but they are not and have never been honest brokers either. Trotskyists should not be trusted, but they are not nazis.


    June 25, 2015 at 6:41 pm

  10. Here’s Coatsey fave Charlotte Church giving as good as she gets. You go girlfriend! https://charlottesayshmmm.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/playing-bigot-whac-a-mole/

    Paul Canning

    June 25, 2015 at 7:10 pm

  11. Greece is your test. If a half-decent settlement can be reached, allowing a return to growth in Greece without placing the whole burden on the poorest Greeks, that will be a good argument for left-wing Eurofaith. But if not, then that doesn’t suggest that the left case for the EU has much relationship with reality. Another Europe certainly is possible. A better one may even be possible. Is another EU possible? I’d like to see some evidence for that.


    June 26, 2015 at 8:04 am

  12. The crucial issue, Francis, is *not* Is another EU possible” (any more than “Is another Britain possible?” or “Is another France possible?”), but what will be the practical effect of a successful campaign for withdrawal? Inevitably, it will boost nationalist and racist forces and erode what limited protective rights workers have in the UK at present. The unravelling of the EU itself (which a Brit withdrawal would hasten) would create trade wars within Europe, drive a race to the bottom in terms of wages and conditions, further boost the far-right and set back working class unity. That’s what’s at stake, not idle speculation about whether or not the EU can be a vehicle for socialism.

    Jim Denham

    June 26, 2015 at 8:50 am

  13. Sorry Francis, I must disagree.

    If a settlement in Greece is not possible, the last thing I believe should be proposed is leaving the EU.

    Can you imagine the Ukip, right-wing Tory attitude?

    “We don’t want all those unemployed, lazy, tax-dodging Greeks to come over here and take our jobs and lower our wages!”

    Although, the No2EU argument will probably be,

    “We don’t want the “social dumping” of the Greeks over here taking our jobs and lowering our wages!”

    Pulling up the drawbridge to restrict free movement of labour, whether the argument is couched in left terms or not, will lead to the same result. Further restrictive immigration controls.

    John R

    June 26, 2015 at 8:52 am

  14. “…And always keep a-hold of Nurse
    For fear of finding something worse.”

    I wouldn’t be not so sure that the EU is any kind of antidote to nationalism and chauvinism. Like many dysfunctional supranational bodies in recent history, it could well become an important *cause* of nationalism and chauvinsm, unless the (real and imagined) injustices of the way it works, and its glaring democratic deficit are addressed. I don’t for one minute expect to see “socialism” (whatever that may be) anywhere, inside or outside the EU. But I would like to see convergence of living standards (upwards) across capitalist Europe. The problems of southern Europe suggest that the existing EU structures, especially the Euro, are working against this. If those structures cannot be changed, then the EU is probably fated to unravel anyway.


    June 26, 2015 at 11:11 am

  15. [double negative] read: “…wouldn’t be so sure…”


    June 26, 2015 at 11:12 am

  16. Charlotte is really doing some serious campaigning.

    She is great!

    Andrew Coates

    June 26, 2015 at 11:15 am

  17. Talking of the RMT, did anyone notice what Peter Pinkney (RMT President) was quoted as saying at their conference in the Morning Star (22nd June).

    “He also attacked the political groups who “spent their time arguing about fundamentals of Marx and Trotsky.”

    He said: “Before the general election people were busy attacking each other, attacking the Greens, attacking the Labour Party — but not Ukip, not the Tories.

    “How are they assisting people who are going hungry, living on the streets, not able to get access to healthcare?” ”


    Now, who could he mean I wonder?

    Does this signal that RMT support for TUSC is on the wane?

    As Peter Pinkney stood as a Green candidate in the General Election and Mick Cash (Gen. Sec.) is a member of the Labour Party, I’d expect to see some change in policy soon.

    John R

    June 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm

  18. You go girlfriend! – Paul Canning

    Is Charlotte Church another one of these, what you call them, ‘fag hags’?

    is your anger at Putin and Russia basically just because he won’t embrace the ‘gay agenda’, and won’t allow the promotion of gay propaganda in society? l


    June 26, 2015 at 4:10 pm

  19. @giles – grow up. It is a joke. You underline your estrangement from UK working class culture, which has always embraced drag and gender nonconformity, through your comment. The sectarian hatred of gays, your schtick, has no basis in Britain’s working class – or Ireland’s as I told you before.

    In other words: fuck off, as Paul O’Grady would put it. A queen who is 10000 times the socialist you might ever claim to be.

    Your ideology is that the working classes’ friends, lovers and relatives somehow undermine the ‘class struggle’. The only way to arrive at your nirvana is through something like Pol Pot attempted.

    Your attention to me, through this blog, is very odd. Very. But I’m not surprised, because you just have to read diatribes around Ukraine to realize how obsessed some are by The Gays. I don’t think straight readers of this blog can quite get how odd this is. It’s no me being discussed but some version of me (‘gayropa’), and in geopolitics, in left wing politics.

    Can some left straight man write something about this please? (Or woman, not fussed.)


    Russia is another imperialist country. Fail to recognise that and you fail to live up to any claim to be socialist.

    Paul Canning

    June 26, 2015 at 4:50 pm

  20. @paul canning – the dominant ideas are the ideas of the ruling class.
    what is the ruling class promoting? part of it is the agenda. bruce jenner, conchita wurst and all that decadence. the attacks on russia tend to be that Putin won’t accept the agenda.

    if you don’t want to see it, thats up to you, but its clear enough.


    June 26, 2015 at 4:58 pm

  21. Little is clear in the EU at present, but what is absolutely certain is that no real advance for the left, or the basic interests of the labour movement, can take place within an ‘independent’ UK, above all under a Conservative government.

    A NO vote to Europe is a vote to the worst forces of neo-liberal capitalism, or to put it crudely, right-wing deregulating thieves.

    Only long-term pan-European change in the EU, initiated by the left, offers a way forward – however hard that may be.

    Andrew Coates

    June 26, 2015 at 5:05 pm

  22. Not much of a return for their cash from TUSC, or for that matter No2EU/Yes2…..

    I would imagine it’s as simple as that John.

    Andrew Coates

    June 26, 2015 at 5:07 pm

  23. @Giles – you do know that the Russkies voted enmasse for conchita wurst?


    I have heard monks – monks – arguing that they are with the Russian Orthodox rebels in the Donbas because of The Gays. Is this your revolutionary program? I’m with the monks?

    To fight for the acceptance of the likes of Caitlyn Jenner is not to fight for the acceptance of the ‘ruling class’. This is what divides you from actual socialists and what aligns you with a mad monk wailing about The Gays in Donbas.

    Who is next in your supposed socialist conception of ‘decadence’? Is it you? have you had decadent thoughts and beat yourself as a consequence? How is your politics different from a Catholic sect?

    Paul Canning

    June 26, 2015 at 6:22 pm

  24. Russian Orthodox monks object to long haired bearded men in dresses singing? On what grounds?


    June 26, 2015 at 8:10 pm

  25. Bruce Jenner is probably suffering from mental illness. He should receive treatment, not be celebrated and given ‘courage’ awards. furthermore, i’m sure he is wealthy enough to do what he wants, and doesn’t need the support of leftists at all.

    Nor should this trans BS be promoted. at the same time, nobody should be deprived of basic human rights. thus, lgbt should have basic rights, but are not ‘equal’ and cannot be, whatever laws are passed or however much propaganda is put out.


    June 26, 2015 at 8:48 pm

  26. Paul, I do get how weird the monomaniacal obsession is, but actually engaging with the disturbed individual behind it is pointless. The fixations have nothing to do with ‘socialism’, rather they are the ‘hyper-masculine’ and ‘Volksgemeinschaft’ ideals encountered in the various strains of fascism, and expressed in racism, misogyny, homophobia, antisemitism yadda yadda yadda.

  27. @redkorat☭ – you are of course right :# thanks for shaking me out of pointless dialogue with a fascist.

    Paul Canning

    June 27, 2015 at 3:34 pm

  28. ““State Monopoly Capitalism.”

    Elaborated by post-war Soviet, Eastern European and Western European Communist party economists ideologues, it is one of the planks of ” Marxist–Leninism”.”

    …and also pretty mainstream stuff for much of the German social-democratic left, in the SPD, the Jusos as well as Die Linke (i.e. including those from the west, i.e not just those trained in the SED in the east) – obviously thanks to the GDR influence through the DKP and their supporters in the unions.

    It kind of reminds me of the “permanent arms economy”.


    June 27, 2015 at 8:06 pm

  29. Interesting, I was not aware of that Dagmar.

    Certainly I have French PCF popularising books from the 1980s which are based on it but it was never that influential in the UK.

    I remember some Soviet Progress textbooks which gave the orthodox version, and some CPGB stuff, but not much else.

    Andrew Coates

    June 28, 2015 at 11:29 am

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