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George Galloway Mourns Tariq Aziz.

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Tariq Aziz, known as the face of Saddam Hussein’s regime on the world stage for many years, has died in an Iraqi hospital, officials say.

Aziz, 79, served as foreign minister and deputy prime minister and was a close adviser to the former leader.

He was sentenced to death by the Iraqi Supreme Court in 2010 for the persecution of religious parties under Saddam’s rule but was never executed.

He surrendered to US troops in 2003 shortly after the fall of Baghdad.

A local health official told reporters that he was taken to hospital from prison after suffering a heart attack. Initial reports said he had died in prison.

He had long been in poor health, suffering from heart and respiratory problems, high blood pressure and diabetes, and his family repeatedly called for his release from custody.

BBC

Written by Andrew Coates

June 5, 2015 at 6:00 pm

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  1. He should be mourned. I’m sure that there must be many Iraqis who are thinking of the good old days under Saddam Hussein. He died in an honourable way, whatever faults he might have done he will go down as a respected leader of Iraq. I’m sure a secular nationalist dictatorial regime such as Saddam’s is better than anything else that has developed. Galloway was very far sighted about the wars, and I think it is fair to say he has been proved right.

    Galloway should be mayor, and his meeting Hussein and his cabinet are neither here nor there. There are worse people in Saddam in the Labour Party.

    troy

    June 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm

  2. ‘He was sentenced to death by the Iraqi Supreme Court in 2010 for the persecution of religious parties under Saddam’s rule but was never executed.’

    could it be that he ‘persecuted’ the various Jihadi or Shia islamicist parties? is that his crime? he didn’t kill any cartoonists, or threaten free speech in the West. And the AWL were cheerleaders for intervention!

    troy

    June 5, 2015 at 10:43 pm

  3. There are many South Africans who think about the good old days of minority rule under the dictatorship of the National Party as well. Ali was an integral part of the machinery of repression which visited war and genocide on neighbours and citizens alike and ended up exactly where he deserved. Would that there were a hell for him to be barbecued in.

  4. @redkorat – Are the ANC and US invasion really comparable? I’m sure it was better for a wealthy tiny white elite in south africa under apartheid, but for the majority, it was not good. I am not sure in what way if any getting rid of Saddam has been good for anyone. He was no saint, but politics is not about sainthood. Gaddafi also must be missed by many, as there is now civil war in Libya. if any regime can be compared to apartheid south africa, it would not be Iraq but another country in the area which also starts with I.

    troy

    June 5, 2015 at 11:40 pm

  5. and i don’t mean Iran. Israel apartheid is an issue.

    http://www.seamac.org/EqualRights.htm

    Galloway for Mayor!

    troy

    June 6, 2015 at 12:05 am

  6. Can Troy tell us who in the Labour Party has squirrelled away BILLIONS of dollars from the country’s Treasury, how many political prisoners have been tortured to death, how many ethnic minorities have been gassed (I know Lenny Henry is complaining about being forced to be in the Black and White Ministrel Show, but that’s not quite on the same scale). how many females were forced to satisfy the lusts of Labour leaders? Something should be done if that’s the case.

    Sue R

    June 6, 2015 at 10:09 am

  7. I understand a former MP is considering standing for FIFA President in order to “clean up” the organisation, what with all this bribery, cash-for-votes, arms deals-for-votes, etc..

    dagmar

    June 6, 2015 at 10:55 am

  8. Sergey Lavrov next.

    Saddam was not secular after the first Gulf War.

    It is possible to oppose the US invasion and oppose Saddam. I have known plenty of Iraqis who have managed it.

    Ask the mother of Dr. Abbas Khan if she backs Galloway for Mayor https://notgeorgesabra.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/self-destruction-of-pseudoleftist-the-case-of-george-galloway/

    Paul Canning

    June 6, 2015 at 1:30 pm

  9. Sue R – the Labour Party and its crimes are in the mass deaths in Iraq caused by the various NATO forces. they are far worse than Saddam, in terms of numbers. their crimes are external, and less internal. did you support the invasion? Even at the time Robin Cook opposed it. I don’t think he was pro Saddam. it was a mistake which has hurt the Labour party more than it knows, and has made Britain hated around the world. Also, who has won in Afghanistan? Its not us.

    Paul C- of course you can oppose both Saddam and the US, or could rather. However, if opposing Saddam means supporting the US invasion, that is a wrong way to go in my opinion. I certainly am no fan of Saddam or dictators, but the facts of political realism are still there. getting rid of a dictator may simply show more clearly the reasons why there was a need for a dictatorial leader in the first place. most leftists will not like that view, but i believe in political realism, and that there is always necessary evils. it would have been less evil to let Saddam stay, and let Assad stay, then the greater evil that will come when they are removed by us.

    it is not crime to meet with the representatives of another country by a politician, elected or not. That’s all Galloway did. He’s no saint either, and there are good reasons not to vote for him However, his meeting Saddam is not one of them. I’d rather have a photo with Saddam than Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.

    troy

    June 6, 2015 at 2:15 pm

  10. Considering that 4 out of 5 Iraqis are either Shiite Arabs or (mainly Sunni) Kurds, getting misty eyed for a minority Sunni Arab dictatorship makes you not very much different to a fat Afrikaaner reminiscing about the good old days, Troy old thing.

    PS, I dont give a flying fuck about Israel. Anyone who wants to live there should be allowed to live there (as long as it doesn’t have to be me), just as they should be able to live anywhere else they want. But really, you can shove the ‘Holy Land’ up yer arse. Personally I’d bulldoze the lot and turn it into a giant Tesco carpark or something useful.

  11. @redkorat – you know very little about either South Africa or Iraq.
    i didn’t mention ‘holy land’ at all. Israel is an apartheid state, and politics is not necessarily about what you want or your unreal ideas. it is about the reality, so, did you support the invasion of Iraq by the New Labour gvt? if so, i don’t really see how you are ‘red’ at all. Even Prescott thinks the wars were a mistake.

    you’re like the Trotskyist ‘third camp’ who ended up supporting the US against Cuba as a way to fight USSR. there’s always some of these types i guess. thankfully, they are not very influential on the left.

    troy

    June 6, 2015 at 5:00 pm

  12. The ‘Troy’ sidestep on Dr Abbas Khan is getting to be his thing (and previously of numerous others, the schtick is not original). Children! Cover your ears! Some infidel is mocking our beloved!

    If you’re going to mock Caitlyn Jenner then take lessons from the master http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-mocks-caitlyn-jenner-hoopla-shes-not-rosa-parks/

    Paul Canning

    June 6, 2015 at 10:40 pm

  13. HI Paul,

    no sidestep. I don’t see what the issue is. He died in Syria, probably killed by Assad’s men. its sad, but of no real geopolitical importance. I think Nick Griffin tried to free him also. i imagine Assad’s men may have thought he was a jihadi, as he was of Pakistani origin, or at any rate not trusted him and wondered why he was there. a tragedy, but there is nothing to sidestep. he died, and thats it. what was Galloway supposed to do? Join in the chorus of lets go and bomb Syria? Galloway did what he could, which wasn’t enough in this case. there is nothing much to say about it apart from its sad for the mother and his family.

    I’m not mocking Caitlyn, i genuine find Brucie boy more sinister than Saddam Hussein, and wonder who is pushing this agenda. I;m kinda glad that Iran won’t accept this culture, frankly. this is what authentic hip hop thinks:

    troy

    June 6, 2015 at 11:55 pm

  14. Sadly, it’s not just tyrant-lovers like Galloway and loons like “troy” who mourn Aziz: Jon Snow disgracefully, tweeted “Nice guy in nasty situation – made worse by Bush and Blair’s invasion.”

    Jim Denham

    June 7, 2015 at 11:06 am

  15. A very foolish comment, based on the kind of reasoning that you’d make about people you know in your own life in the UK.

    Completely out of kilter with what happened in Iraq over decades.

    Andrew Coates

    June 7, 2015 at 11:47 am

  16. Jim D – I don’t mourn him, but I see no reason to look down on him as some great evil.
    Netanyahu is far far worse, of far great evil, than him.

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 12:30 pm

  17. troy: you’re a fuckin idiot. Netanyahu is a nasty piece of work, but Israel is not a dictatorship and Netenyahu is not an apologist for fascism (despite what some loons and anti-Semites claim).

    Jim Denham

    June 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm

  18. The late Tony Benn was also soft on Aziz; we had to put him right with this open letter:

    http://www.workersliberty.org/node/5030

    Jim Denham

    June 7, 2015 at 5:44 pm

  19. @Jim democracy is not necessarily a panacea for every evil in the world, there are reasons why dictatorships exist. Israel is not a dictatorship, but it is a colonial settler state, and much of what Netanyahu and others like him state has resemblances to fascism. if you don’t want to see it and deny it, that’s up to you. that hardly makes one an anti semite. a pro zionist pro imperialist left wing Trotskyist third campist position can apparently exist. Thankfully, not all of the left see it that way. Counterfire don’t. the SWP don’t.

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 6:47 pm

  20. the letter to Benn is interesting, but obvious. the AWL has a campaign to stop any solidarity with opponents of Zionism, and to promote zionism inside left circles. that is the sole purpose of its entire existence.

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 6:53 pm

  21. “I’m not mocking Caitlyn, i genuine find Brucie boy more sinister than Saddam Hussein, and wonder who is pushing this agenda. I;m kinda glad that Iran won’t accept this culture, frankly. this is what authentic hip hop thinks:”

    Now I have coffee spluttered all over my keyboard …

    1. Iran conducts the 2nd largest number of gender ops in the world. Many gays are forced in changing gender.
    2. ‘authentic hip hop’. Never heard of the ‘down low’? I used to be a music journo and DJ and could tell you some stories …

    keep em coming. ever thought of doing stand up?

    Paul Canning

    June 7, 2015 at 8:16 pm

  22. Paul Canning

    June 7, 2015 at 8:29 pm

  23. ‘I used to be a music journo and DJ and could tell you some stories …’

    i’m sure you could. There are many people who push the gay agenda, i guess you’re on of them.
    you should read this:

    http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/15b/Ireland-marriage-vote/result-analysis.html

    “Massive US-funded “gay” blitzkrieg as never seen before.”

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 9:47 pm

  24. he’s got some interesting things to say about gay imperialism:

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

  25. Jim D – you ought to read this from Counterpunch, a respectable left wing source:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/05/the-big-lie-at-the-heart-of-the-myth-of-the-creation-of-israel/

    troy

    June 7, 2015 at 10:54 pm

  26. Counterpunch: “a respectable left wing source” !!! Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!

    House journal of Foolish Socialists.

    Jim Denham

    June 8, 2015 at 12:46 am

  27. This of course is the ‘respected’ Counterpunch,

    “Franklin Lamb (Counterpunch) ISIS, Iraq: Towards the “Liberation” of Palestine.
    the latest piece by the notorious Franklin Lamb, who has been linked to the far-right Réseau Voltaire (Voltaire Network) (23 articles, up to 2001).

    Will ISIS Create al-Sham Caliphate & Liberate Palestine? ”

    “ith respect to exactly how DAASH intends to liberate Palestine, the Iraqi’s and now the Obama administration is in possession of an encyclopedia of information about detailed DAASH plans, and tactics it will confront the Zionist occupiers with, according to a congressional staffer via email with this observer. Reportedly the employment of large numbers of militarily untrained foreign volunteers as suicide bombers, moving on foot wearing suicide vests, or driving vehicles packed with explosives is just the tip of a deep iceberg of what DAASH is planning…

    The visiting Professor of International Law at the Faculty of Law, Damascus University comments,

    Time will reveal if DAASH achieves one or both of its objectives. Many believe if they eject the Zionist regime from Palestine, the expanding Islamist group will set in motion historic currents that in all likelihood will be rather different from the Ehud Omert-Condeleeza Rice fantasy of “a New Middle East.

    One feels deep disgust at anybody relishing the kind of ‘liberation’ ISIS would bring to Israel.”

    June 2014.

    https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2014/06/22/franklin-lamb-counterpunch-isis-iraq-towards-the-liberation-of-palestine/

    Andrew Coates

    June 8, 2015 at 11:45 am

  28. paul – if all and every opposing belief to gay marriage is classified as ‘hate’, then i suppose it would be a hate group. i don’t believe it, nor take everything that southern poverty law centre or searchlight put out as gospel. there was nothing ‘hateful’ about the article, apart from not sharing the current opinion of our ruling classes.

    counterpunch – i’ve read different articles, of different quality, in counterpunch, as with most other news sites. It is overall quite good, but there are some articles which i disagree with. there anti war coverage has been excellent.

    i have little time for IS and hope Assad squashes them.

    troy

    June 8, 2015 at 11:57 am

  29. To go back a bit (been otherwise engaged) and just so we all have this clear — the shapeshifting village idiot would rather have its photo taken with the man who gassed tens of thousands of Iranian conscripts than with a transgendered person. Priorities are very important — keeping them straight and all that.

  30. at least Tariq Aziz had balls.

    troy

    June 8, 2015 at 4:47 pm

  31. Unlike your hero adolf hitler. All together now…,Hitler,s only got one ball….

    Sue r

    June 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm

  32. Troy now sounds exactly like Michele Bachmann (or possibly her husband). No, they’re not listed by SPLC just because they oppose gay marriage but for the exact same reasons nasty racist groups are listed. Look it up.

    Paul Canning

    June 8, 2015 at 5:42 pm

  33. Saying the Irish vote was about the ‘ruling classes’ is a flat out lie. Equal marriage was supported by every single left wing organisation alongside conservative and liberal ones. The highest votes in support came from the most working class areas of Dublin.

    Paul Canning

    June 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm

  34. I suspect he thinks that only the rural working class (and not even all of that now, by any means) is the “real” working class. I don’t approve of the opposite view on the Left either, but really …

    (And another of his sources was the authentic hip-hop *of 25 years ago*. Different context now entirely.)

    But then his linking to a site which considered Mitt Romney to be a “Republican in Name Only” is simply part of his more general thought experiment; it’s the same sort of trolling as someone on a forum I was once on who thought it funny to, again under multiple different names, pretend to be a Last of the Summer Wine / Heartbeat fan who spoke in pseudo-Multicultural London English.

    februarycallendar

    June 8, 2015 at 6:43 pm

  35. @februarycallendar – yes trolling but he also repeats and represents a certain ideology, like that mad Frenchwoman Andrew’s written about. They pretend to be all for the class struggle and the dispossessed but in reality they see them through a lens, at a distance. They’re in reality totally disconnected. That’s why he had no clue about what actually happened in Ireland or why that Frenchwoman ignores those whose existence or thoughts go against her ideology.

    In a sense they are just like the GOP base, just like the Tea Party people. They live in a bubble and it doesn’t matter how many facts you ping at them it all bounces off.

  36. Here’s one of my heroes, a gay liberationist, a socialist, a civil rights leader and a pacifist, Bayard Rustin. A man whose very existence would blow the mind of people like ‘Troy’ as well as that mad Frenchwoman, if they either knew of or acknowledged him, which, of course, they could not! There are countless others.

    http://paulocanning.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/wheres-bayard-rustins-statue.html

  37. perhaps they will have some new lords in the house of lords. Perhaps the position of a Gaylord will be created.

    troy

    June 8, 2015 at 10:54 pm

  38. Anyone else reminded of the old days on Osler’s blog?


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