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I Blame SNP Scum.

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Welcome Socialism! (1948). 

Bucharest 1948 me mum as part of delegation of progressives to celebrate victory in Bucharest – they knew how to organise elections in those days!

Only non-fun point; chap in hat on left is one of the leaders of Indonesian Communist Party. He married mum’s best friend. Only reason he escaped genocide by Islamists (around 2 million ‘Communists’ and ‘Chinese’). After torture spent 40 years in prison.

There is this, and I am not in mood to excuse the SNP vermin.

It wot them wot won it for the Tories.

SNP and Ukip supporters target JK Rowling on Twitter

The Harry Potter author, who is a vocal supporter of the Labour Party, received a torrent of abuse after Ed Miliband’s crushing defeat.

That just about sums it up.

Written by Andrew Coates

May 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

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  1. This points out the high turnout in Scotland and that Scotland ‘voted for change’, plus that the SNP had ‘better deliver’ – there’s the rub.

    There’s more >

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/05/08/will-scotland-get-no-credit-for-a-new-politics/

    “We have to help England

    It pains me to contrast the jubilation up here in Scotland with the desolation of my friends on the English left.

    I quake to think what the Tories may do over the next few years – kill the BBC? Privatise the rest of the NHS? Scrap human rights? Shove TTIP so far up us all our eyes water? It’s awful. I have never so much wanted anyone so bloody mediocre to win as I did with Milliband. I was in the pub with friends on Sunday when they showed me pictures of the big stone tablet. I refused to believe it. It had to be a spoof. Had to be.

    After 15 minutes they’d pretty-well proved it. I could only assume that he’d changed his mind and didn’t want to be PM. And still I was desperate to see Cameron gone. It is not only Labour that is lost south of the Border, the Tories are pretty lost too. In fact, politics in England are lost. We have just sat through the most inane election in history – overseas commentators are aghast at the idiocy of the issues we debate and how we debate them. The people of England deserve better. I cannot stress enough; the whole Yes campaign should be emailing the English left today offering to do anything we can to help them learn from the experience of what has happened in Scotland. I don’t mean to be patronising, I just desperately want to be that good neighbour we said we wanted to be. Be delighted but don’t be smug. Working people in England will go hungry and be cold because of the policies of the government that England has selected. It is our duty to do anything we can as individuals, or as part of the political parties and movements we are part of. What should they do? I have many thoughts and there are many thoughts flying around today on UK progressive networks. Working together is the real spirit of solidarity we talked about in the referendum. Now is the time.”

    Lots of interest in the comments too.

    I don’t disagree on who the SNP are but I have to say I found Mhairi Black by far the most inspiring person interviewed on election night.

    Paul Canning

    May 10, 2015 at 12:33 pm

  2. The bloody voters keep getting it wrong. You could sort out the Scots by the party creating a new more obedient electorate.

    geoffbarr

    May 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm

  3. That bellacaladonia article is the most naive exercise in wishful thinking I have ever read.

    Rupert Murdoch does not support the SNP to bring about social justice.

    John R

    May 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm

  4. Depressing though the result of the General Election in England is, the absolute disappearance of Progressive or Socialist political forces north of the border has to be one of the most incredible turnarounds in history. Yet these tartan Tories still think they’re on the progressive side, despite the fact that they are now in an unholy alliance with the Tory Party to dismantle the UK so the Scots can have their miserable little mini state (an economy based on petro-poonds and tourism) and the Tories can rule unchallenged in England (and maybe Wales).

    The Tory Party may be the Conservative and Unionist Party officially but they couldn’t resist the temptation of playing the English Nationalist card and demanding “English votes for English laws”. This means in effect that every issue that is devolved to Edinburgh means that same issue will be decided by the Tories in England. The UK cannot survive this – the disparity in size, population and economies means that a federal structure would only work if it applied to the English regions as well. Thus, the result is bound to be the complete collapse of any solidarity between the working class north and south of the border (this has already been largely achieved – much to the delight of the SNP and Tories alike) and the eventual secession of Scotland and the dismantling of the UK.

    It will be a bitter and bad tempered parting but it seems there are no socialists or internationalists left in Scotland to put the case for class solidarity in the face of rampant, reactionary and triumphalist nationalism. I would not quite use the intemperate language of our host on this blog but I agree with the basic sentiment. The SNP’s triumph has destroyed the left in Scotland but the idiots don’t seem to know they’re dead yet. The Scots are not an oppressed colony straining for their freedom under the English Jackboot; they enjoy a higher level of public services and higher standards of living than many areas of England (including the bit I live in). The demands for independence are driven by bourgeois, petty selfishness and a romanticised and utterly false version of history. The Scots were not conquered by the English, the Jacobite rebellions were not popular risings against tyrannical English rule and the Highland Clearances were not perpetrated by the English. The Scottish, English and Welsh working class have a common enemy and the wholesale withdrawal of the Scots from the struggle is an act of historic idiocy (and perhaps treachery) which we will all pay dearly for.

    Rupert Murdoch and his ilk have no fear of an independent Scotland as it would be small enough to be either dominated or ignored and the entrenching or a permanent Tory majority in England would be well worth it. A similar thinking (perhaps not so clearly and cynically thought through) now dominates the Tory Party. The crocodile tears shed by the likes of Paul Canning above are just proof either of the lunacy of some elements of the “Yes” campaign or are taking the piss and rubbing salt into very raw wounds.

    I still have Scottish friends (although less than I did a few months ago) but sadly the Scottish working class and progressive movement seems to have decided that it has nothing in common with me. I hope they never need to ask for our support or solidarity in the future because, although I would try to apply my socialist and internationalist principles, I think many would find it hard to find the motivation to help people who’ve kicked us in the teeth with such apparent glee.

    bashtheblues

    May 19, 2015 at 4:36 pm

  5. There was whole debate in the Socialist Register some years ago about the kind of “competitive underbidding” by small nations against one another on the global market.

    Perhaps the SNP’s ‘left’ admirers thought this was some kind of recommendation

    Andrew Coates

    May 19, 2015 at 5:04 pm

  6. eh? @bashtheblues

    I just thought the Bellacaledonia article was interesting. What would be wrong by trying dialogue with lefties who are now backing the SNP? Do I have to preface every comment with ‘yes, they’re tartan tories’ or I get pounced on by thought police? Just to add, I have found it depressing how many people I know have got caught up with the SNP, envisaging some kind of wonderland over the independence rainbow. But then I look at people like Mhairi Black and think ‘why can’t English socialists talk to people like her? Will something evil rub off on us?’

    Paul Canning

    May 19, 2015 at 8:26 pm

  7. Scots are not an oppressed colony straining for their freedom under the English Jackboot; they enjoy a higher level of public services and higher standards of living than many areas of England (including the bit I live in). The demands for independence are driven by bourgeois, petty selfishness and a romanticised and utterly false version of history. The Scots were not conquered by the English, the Jacobite rebellions were not popular risings against tyrannical English rule and the Highland Clearances were not perpetrated by the English. The Scottish, English and Welsh working class have a common enemy and the wholesale withdrawal of the Scots from the struggle is an act of historic idiocy (and perhaps treachery) which we will all pay dearly for.

    Been pointing this out (or at least trying to) for years — nothing good can come from Scottish socialists tailending bourgeois nationalsm and romanticism. ‘Nananananananana we can’t hear you!’


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