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George Galloway Delves Further Into Sewer in Campaign Against Labour’s Naz Shah.

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Sewer: George Galloway’s Homeland.

Galloway excels himself.

Now out: Galloway calls for Labour’s Bradford West candidate to be prosecuted.


George Galloway, the Respect candidate in Bradford West, has called on the Director of Public Prosecutions to charge his Labour opponent Naz Shah with perjury over evidence she gave in the trial of her mother for murder and the subsequent appeal. He has also referred her to the DPP over claims she made under Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act which concerns false representation.

“A jury in the original trial where her mother was convicted on four counts – fraud, soliciting murder, attempted murder and murder – not only unanimously decided her mother was guilty but concluded Naz Shah’s evidence was a tissue of lies, as did the appeal court,” Galloway said. “In particular she lied by claiming that she had bought samosas, which her mother had poisoned, in a shop. In fact her mother, as she subsequently agreed, made them and included a dose of arsenic she had brought back from Pakistan. Shah’s mother even stood by and watched her eat one before making her sick afterwards,’ he continued.

  “The Court of Appeal, in peremptorily dismissing her mother’s appeal, concurred. I am demanding that she is now prosecuted for perjury. Her testimony, and everything she has said since about the case, is a travesty of the truth. You can either believe the judgments or the fairy tale Ms Shah has since presented.”

 Galloway continued: “I deeply regret that Labour has continued to drag this sordid tale and this disreputable candidate and her story across Bradford West voters. There is much more but I have no wish to delve further into the sewer.”

Respect Party.

“George Galloway and his Labour rival have each now reported the other to the Director of Public Prosecutions as their battle becomes one of the most bitter and personal election campaigns in memory.

The contest has become overwhelmed by claims and counter-claims about the sad childhood of Naz Shah, Labour’s challenger for the Respect founder’s seat.

Ms Shah has described a life of Dickensian misery in which she developed poverty-related tuberculosis, was forced into a teenage marriage and then saw her mother convicted of murder for poisoning a lover by feeding him a samosa laced with arsenic.”


We assume that Galloway’s reference to “much worse” refers to the anonymous dossier, “he anonymous dossier, The Truth about Naz Shah, Bradford West’s Labour Party Candidate for 2015 General Election http://nazshah.besaba.com/#sthash.oTXRk7on.dpuf is libelous,


The link appears to be no longer working.

We wonder why.


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  1. It’s all quite obvious; the expertise of Sherlock Holmes is needed:

    It was a quiet evening in our rooms in Baker Street when Holmes put down his syringe of morphine and spoke quietly, in that reminiscent tone i had come to know so well.

    “Watson, do you remember the strange case of the poisoned samosas?”

    “But surely you mean the Strange Case of the Mendacious Scottish Member,” I rejoined.

    “I see it all now! They are one and the same, my dear Watson! Do you have your revolver? Quickly, man! There isn’t a moment to lose!”

    Bill Corr

    April 12, 2015 at 11:12 am

  2. Sherlock is not needed to find out where the above anonymous “dossier” of slander came from.

    A gentle interrogation of Mr Galloway in, say, Iran’s Evin Prison, would soon get some answers.

    Andrew Coates

    April 12, 2015 at 12:32 pm

  3. So the anonymous dossier goes down as Mensch lays out the legal case?


    Salma Yaqoob has said nothing. Not. One. Word.

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 1:38 pm

  4. This is the best article I’ve seen yet on Shah, assessing her strengths and weaknesses. Includes a long voxpop of Bradford West voters too.

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 1:53 pm

  5. you guys are really scared of Galloway aren’t you? pathetic.
    Long live the Bradford Spring!


    April 12, 2015 at 2:18 pm

  6. Come on neil, you’re only saying these things because you really fancy Coatesy.


    April 12, 2015 at 2:27 pm

  7. Salma Yaqoob’s political career seems to have disappeared. She was silly to leave Respect and Galloway over stupid things, such as Galloway’s valid comments on the so called ‘rape’ case against Assange.

    Rosie – keep your filthy ideas to yourself. people like you and coatesy get owned regularly by Galloway


    April 12, 2015 at 2:40 pm

  8. This is excellent at explaining just how big a failure Galloway has been as an MP for the people of Bradford. This is precisely what sycophants like Neil don’t get.


    “Mr Galloway’s a gobshite. I like that about him – that’s why I voted for him – but the best thing about gobshites in power is that they can get something done. There are backbenchers who wield power far above their station simply because they know how to shout loud and get in the press. In this instance, Mr Galloway’s the squeaky wheel that still manages to avoid the oil. He shouts – few listen.

    If Respect doesn’t have the power or influence to get the job done, what’s the point in voting for Respect? Mr Galloway might share your concerns – in this instance, he does mine – but what’s the point if he won’t wield his influence to get people to agree with him, to get behind him, to get something done?

    If Mr Galloway wants to do what he says – to improve education in Bradford – he’s got to listen to his own advice, understand that he can’t do it alone, and certainly not without the support or backing of the current council and some other MPs who are in the same boat, and start working with others. Mr Galloway shouts and few listen. Imagine if Mr Galloway shouted along with the MPs for Teeside, Hull, Tameside and more – then, even London would have to listen.”


    People like Neil think that we should all fall for Galloway’s rhetoric, or that opposition to Galloway only comes from Zionists. They can’t answer Bradford residents straightforward questions about what Galloway has actually done for them. They either rant, like Neil, throw around accusations or accuse others, like Galloway does, or block them, as Galloway does when they ask questions, rather than take any responsibility for themselves.

    More here. Quote:

    “What this shows is that Mr Galloway is good at getting in the news, is good at getting column inches and is good at getting the media to report stories in which he is involved. What there isn’t the evidence for is that Mr Galloway is good at getting Bradford in the media spotlight. Even with, arguably, the most high profile of backbench MPs, Bradford’s not getting in the papers. Mr Galloway’s biggest selling point, for me, was his profile and his relationship, however, interesting, with the media, and he’s not using it for the good of Bradford.”


    Socialists want things like improved education for the working class poor in places like Bradford. Galloway’s done nothing. Why should anyone in Bradford trust that he’ll be any more successful if reelected given the past 3 years?

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm

  9. Galloway is important for the whole country for giving an anti zionist and anti imperialist voice in parliament. I doubt that you really care about ‘local concerns’ because you are not concerned with any other MP’s local constituency. Socialism is not going to come through elections, but elections are all we have at the moment, and Galloway’s voice is needed, especially for Muslims.

    Labour will do nothing, i think everybody knows this apart from the pseudo socialist AWL.
    Galloway has put Bradford on the map, without Galloway nobody would even be talking about Bradford election.

    I think there any number of Bradfordians who will testify that Galloway has helped their lives. One MP cannot change everything however, and the main blame should be at the Conservative government, not George Galloway. i dont who this nobody is attacking Galloway, perhaps a supporter of the AWL?

    Galloway has stood up for Muslims, Muslims must now stand up for Galloway!
    It is more than about local politics, it is about Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. A vote for Galloway is to oppose all these things. To talk about local council politics is just a distraction.


    April 12, 2015 at 4:22 pm

  10. With Galloway, people of Bradford will know that their MP will oppose the next imperialist intervention in whatever part of the Middle East is next.

    AWL are gobshites, with a pseudo ‘anti-anti-imperialism’, support for Zionism and Israel, unwillingness to work with the rest of the left but stand back and sneer and pretend you are rebels from the left when in reality you are aligning with the right.

    ‘Red’ Ed is not really red.
    Rosie – why have you made it your life’s purpose, your personal crusade and calling to attack the left?


    April 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm

  11. Paul Canning -read this about gay imperialism, and how lgbt rights are used by imperialists,


    April 12, 2015 at 4:33 pm

  12. I would say about Galloway what he said of a great man:

    ” Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability, and I want you to know that we are with you, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-Quds [until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem].”


    April 12, 2015 at 4:38 pm

  13. Just like good old Glasgae in the auld days, Andrew.

    Sue R

    April 12, 2015 at 5:09 pm

  14. Thanks, neil.

    Galloway has for many years tried to make out that the “you” in the “indefatigability” quote was referring to the Iraqi people. He has tried to deny that he was eulogising Saddam Hussein.

    However, you neil, no doubt after watching said video again and again, could see, along with the rest of humanity that Galloway was, indeed, praising Hussein (the “great man” in your eyes).

    No point trying to point out Hussein’s crimes against humanity to you neil. He’ll always be a “great man” in your eyes along with GG.

    But, hey, thanks again for reminding us what Galloway really meant on that occasion rather than his attempts at trying to obscure the truth.

    John R

    April 12, 2015 at 5:17 pm

  15. Just pinged on who Galloway reminds me of!

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 6:03 pm

  16. Neil, I know all about that stuff having worked with and for LGBT asylum seekers and global south activists for many years. I could give you chapter and verse on how the ‘anti-imperialist’ crowd has actively undermined and sometimes destroyed work by activists in the global south. Their agenda is ‘anti-western’ – it is not about supporting any real work for actual LGBT (which draws a very neat parallel with GG and his failure to do anything for his constituents …). I know this because I know many actual activists and asylum seekers who’ve had to deal with their often slimy tactics. I worked for Mehdi Kazemi, an Iranian gay asylum seeker. Galloway actually called this terrified 19 year old a liar and a paedo. He’s not the only one I’ve heard slander asylum seekers in order to defend their ideological agenda. It’s sick …


    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 6:06 pm

  17. ME′NE, ME′NE, TE′KEL and PAR′SIN
    Writing on the Wall Galloway
    If he wins the Election he will have it Judicially ripped from his claws and all his puppies will be yelping in accusations of Zionists/Jews intervention/conspiracy and blah blah.
    When all that really happened was the British Courts felt old George was not in any way playing cricket! SIMPLES

  18. John R- you sound like a Blairite. i’m sure there are many iraqis remembering the good old days under Saddam Hussein. Galloway has been proved right!

    I think Galloway is right about Mehdi Kazemi as well, he is promoted to bash the Iranians, and his may well be a paedo. Perhaps he was telling the truth. to put it frankly, i am against homophobia, but at the same time, lgbt rights do not trump everything else. I dont care about gays in Iran, but neither do i wish them harm, neither do i care about the rights of drug users in saudi arabia, even though it is too extreme to jail someone for four years for cannabis possession. These are not really the issues. or they are minor issues. the right to abortion again is not a principal issue.

    On the middle east, he is right. John R sounds like he supported the war on Iraq due to humanitarian reasons. am i right? invade Afghanistan to promote womens rights and feminism. its bollox, and i think you know it.

    if so, stop pretending you are left.


    April 12, 2015 at 6:32 pm

  19. Zionism and Judaism are NOT the same thing. Please stop confusing the two. As Galloway said, not all Jews and Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.

    The AWL/Shiraz ‘socialist’/Tendance Coatesy is however left Zionist, and puts out left imperialist propaganda.


    April 12, 2015 at 6:34 pm

  20. likewise, not all gays are paedos, and not all paedos are gay. but many paedos are gay, especially in Iran and Afghanistan, because they have a non-Islamic remnant of pederastry.


    April 12, 2015 at 6:37 pm

  21. “This (Mehdi Kazemi’s case) is a useful story for the war propaganda machine, the khaki machine now taking on a tinge of pink….what I will not accept is people being used, as Tatchell is, as the pink end of the war machine. That’s what Peter Tatchell has become by attacking Iran in the way that he does.”

    Galloway is completely right. this is the issue, the issue of attacking Iran, NOT gay rights. which Galloway and Respect support.


    April 12, 2015 at 6:39 pm

  22. This mainstream Islamic preacher from India was prohibited from coming to the UK, defamed by people like yourselves. This is only traditional teaching in Islam, it wont change. However, this cannot affect the legal status of anybody in the UK, it is a religious teaching, not a political one. However, this view is valid and is held by many people, Muslim or not. You have to get used to people having different views to yourself.


    April 12, 2015 at 6:51 pm

  23. “For Louise this is good for her career”

    What a graceless comment by Huma.

    Louise Mensch is a bloody snob. She still has miles more integrity than most of her ‘sisters’ on the left when it comes to actually speaking out for women against patriarchal theocratic thugs. She’s also very rich and has no need of a career, let alone a career defending women on the left whom the left itself ought to be defending, were it not so infatuated with/fearful of patriarchal Islamist thugs and their fellow travellers.

    This whole episode shows both what a roach Galloway is but also how comprehensively the Labour party and its followers have failed to stand up for its vaunted principles of equality. If it had been Farage or Griffin spouting the same shit against Naz Shah, the left would be in uproar. The left yaps on about Islamophobia, but can’t bring itself to stand up for a secular Muslim woman being traduced by a bullying patriarchal scumbag like Galloway. Shameful.


    April 12, 2015 at 7:35 pm

  24. Louise Mensch should learn from Monica Lewinsky.
    She speaks out against Galloway because she’s being a consistent Tory and to attacking the left.
    Why is Tendance and the AWL joining her?


    April 12, 2015 at 7:46 pm

  25. Thing is, Lamia, when the secular woman herself is so grudging about support, it makes it difficult. It’s easier to just have NOTHING to do with it all. maybe that’s what certain people want.

    Sue R

    April 12, 2015 at 7:48 pm

  26. “defamed by people like yourselves.”

    I wonder if Neil can explain how someone who says homosexuals should be executed can be ‘defamed’. The fact that a lot of people may share his evil view does not make it worthy of respect. If someone preached that Muslims should be executed, you would rightly go bananas. If they responded that a lot of people share their views you would rightly consider that a pathetic attempt at an excuse.

    Time and again in the past decade senior left and Labour figures have treated bloodthirsty bigots like Qaradawi, Naik, Salah and co as deserving of respect. Well they don’t deserve respect, and nor do those who associate with them, nor those who make excuses for those who associate with them. Ed Miliband has been AWOL on this matter throughout his leadership of the Labour Party. I believe he’s basically a nice guy, but he’s morally cowardly and a hypocrite.

    Labour and the left generally has got to kick its nasty habit of treating misogynists, antisemites and homophobes as acceptable if they also hate the Tories/the US/Israel. It’s not good enough.


    April 12, 2015 at 7:49 pm

  27. @ SurR

    “It’s easier to just have NOTHING to do with it all. maybe that’s what certain people want.”

    Who? And why is the mainstream left so abject about this? Why aren’t Miliband and co speaking up for a Labour candidate who is being subjected to smears and misogynistic invective? If the fact that Louise Mensch has stuck her neb in is enough to make the left recoil in disgust, then the left’s priorities are seriously warped.


    April 12, 2015 at 7:55 pm

  28. do you really believe in free speech? if so, then you have to at minimum tolerate the views of others. You may not respect their views, but that may be because you do not really believe that others are entitled to their views, they must be vilified.

    there is no Islamic misogyny, homophobia or anti semitism on the whole, there are traditional family values and criticism of Israel. there are no Islamicist thugs either in the UK. if someone doesn’t necessarily agree with gay marriage equality, then that doesn’t make them a fascist.

    . Why are you so obsessed about ‘hate preachers’? do you work for the daily mail?

    Lamia- it seems the person subject to execution is a paedophile. Should paedophiles be executed? I dont know, but it is an affair for Iran, not our problem here.


    April 12, 2015 at 7:57 pm

  29. where does Zakir Naik call for execution in the video i posted? he does no such thing.
    The mainstream left is right,not really left.

    Sue R – thats a good idea. you shouldnt get involved in somethng you dont really understand based on a misguided and misdirected feminism.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:01 pm

  30. I promised I’d leave these “debates” alone, but:

    Why are you so obsessed with “traditional family values” and equating gay men with child molesters? Do you work for the Daily Mail?


    April 12, 2015 at 8:09 pm

  31. Neil- ” Louise Mensch should learn from Monica Lewinsky.”

    what does this mean? i suspect by your postings that you may be one of those of the Islamic persuasion who support Galloway.

    I like Galloway because he’s a character, i enjoy watching him. But he is also something of a twat. as are you ‘Neil’.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:09 pm

  32. “And as far as punishment for adultery is concerned, unlawful sexual intercourse done by a married man or woman, it’s mentioned in Sahih Bukhari….So the punishment for adultery, unlawful sexual intercourse done by married man is Islam, it is stoning to death.

    So homosexuality is forbidden in Islam and the punishment for homosexuality is death.””



    “do you really believe in free speech?”

    I believe in free speech. I don’t believe in incitement to murder.

    “if so, then you have to at minimum tolerate the views of others.”

    Why should I ‘tolerate’ someone who advocates that I should be killed, you evil prick?

    “You may not respect their views, but that may be because you do not really believe that others are entitled to their views, they must be vilified.”

    Advocating that a kind of people be killed goes quite a bit beyond ‘vilifying’ them. What grotesquely warped priorities you have. If I said that you and George Galloway should be killed, you would be straight on to the police, you hypocritical cunt.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm

  33. “I dont care about gays in Iran,”

    This is not socialism.

    I worked hard to save Mehdi’s life against the indifference of the Labour government and most of the party, including LGBT Labour. You are as bad, if not worse, than the Blairites, Neil. Couldn’t care less about actual human beings if their existence screws up your ideology or you can set one group of humans against another group for your own benefit.

    This is not socialism.

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm

  34. I think we can all see where ‘Neil’ is coming from. One man’s respect for the traditional sanctity of family life and womens’ role is another woman’s misogyny. It’s all a question of interpretation, no such thing as objectivity. Imperialism wants us to think that there is an external world open to understanding and influence, but there isn’t is there, ‘Neil’. Everything that lives and creeps and crawls upon the face of the earth does so by the permission of Allah. Not forgetting the flying things too. I’m right though, aren’t I ‘Neil’.

    Sue R

    April 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm

  35. Paul- i care about all the people of Iran, and not just one section who practice a gay lifestyle. It is not socialism to poke your nose into a country you know little about to justify American invasion.

    it is you who are working for your own benefit, which happens to coincide with US/UK imperialism. Perhaps it is you who care only about your own tribe, the gays, at the expense of everyone else? this liberal interventionism and its entire ideology is bankrupt. give it up.

    I am against homophobia by the way, but also for free speech and for the rights of people to have views other than those of liberal metropolitan elites, the champagne socialists, like yourself who wish to use British foreign policy to push forward an aggressive gay agenda. I agree with Vladmir Putin on this issue.

    but this has nothing to do with the reelection of George Galloway.
    perhaps LGBT Labour didn’t back you because they realise they are interfering in the legal process of a sovereign country. Perhaps Labour wont back Naz Shah because they know she is a weak candidate. perhaps there is hope in Labour, but i wouldnt bet on it.

    Gay imperialism is not socialism


    April 12, 2015 at 8:34 pm

  36. Sue R – I am not a relativist. There is an external world, i do not doubt it. and anyone who has studied the external world knows that two gay men are not a family, and there needs to be a lot of redefining of words and forms of thought control for people to accept the unnatural as natural. just my opinion.

    But that is my opinion only, it is not the view of Respect party, as you know.
    my theological beliefs are frankly none of your business.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:40 pm

  37. February – your defence of PIE is disgraceful.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:48 pm

  38. Zakir Naik:

    “And as far as punishment for adultery is concerned, unlawful sexual intercourse done by a married man or woman, it’s mentioned in Sahih Bukhari….So the punishment for adultery, unlawful sexual intercourse done by married man is Islam, it is stoning to death.

    So homosexuality is forbidden in Islam and the punishment for homosexuality is death.”



    Apparently, when Zakir Naik says gay people deserve to be executed, they should ‘tolerate’ and ‘respect’ that view. To denounce him for saying this is to ‘vilify’ them.

    Would Neil respect and tolerate someone saying that he and George Galloway should be put to death?

    That’s the Loony Left for you. Utterly hypocritical, unprincipled and socially fascistic. And completely unopposed by their ‘comrades’ on the mainstream left and in Labour, who seek the approval of the same misogynistic, antsemitic, homophobic Islamist bigots. Hard to believe that this was once a party that stood up for equality, rather than standing up for those who would oppress women and murder Jews and gay people. You bunch of clueless clowns and unprincipled scumbags.


    April 12, 2015 at 8:57 pm

  39. Lamia – there are similar verses in the Old Testament. Nobody is advocating for this here in the UK. It has nothing to do with Respect anyway. More scaremongering.

    who is oppressing women, murdering jews and gay people in the UK? you are pointing to a non existent imaginary enemy, a bit like George Bush.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:07 pm

  40. “So black magic is Kufr in Islam and the punishment for a person who practices black magic is death penalty.” Zakir Naik

    is anyone suggesting that black magicans be put to death in the UK? hardly. get a grip on yourselves.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:10 pm

  41. Defence of PIE? When? Where? Not here. Not ever. I have long recognised the damage that organisation did to the Left during the key years in our modern history.

    But then I also know what allegations of a sinister gay “tribe” and references to an “aggressive gay agenda” mean. The indifference (if such it were – I do not have any evidence either way myself) of the previous Labour government to Mehdi Kazemi will not have been because it respected Iran’s “sovereignty”, but because it was worried, as it habitually was, about negative headlines in The Sun and the Daily Mail. The very rags you sound like a scarcely-edited inversion of.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:10 pm

  42. I’ll be voting for Galloway and doing all i can to support him. You should join us. there is nothng more to say.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm

  43. You may accept the existence of objective reality, but one fears for your inner life. Do the voices bother you often?

    Sue R

    April 12, 2015 at 9:16 pm

  44. Neil claims that Zakir Naik has never said gay people should be killed, then when his lie is exposed he tries to move the goalposts.

    “there are similar verses in the Old Testament.”

    What kind of an excuse is that? How many Christian or Jewish clerics in this country have advocated the death penalty for homosexuals? I can think of the scumbag Stephen Green and that is all. And no politicians in this country have embraced Stephen Green, let alone described him as a moderate, as Livingstone did about Qaradawi.

    “Nobody is advocating for this here in the UK.”

    Bullshit. Numerous Islamist preachers in this country are on record advocating the death penalty for gay people. In any case, how is it made acceptable if they advocate it against gay people in other countries? How does that make them moderate and acceptable to supposed socialists?

    If a public figure said they supported executing Muslims, but not in Britain itself, would you consider that acceptable? Would you consider it ‘moderate’? Would you consider protest against such a person ‘scaremongering’?

    “who is oppressing women, murdering jews and gay people in the UK?”

    Well in the past decade the industrial scale rape of teenage girls young has mostly been carried out by Islamists, with the connivance/incompetence of workers for Labour-controlled councils. Jews aren’t being murdered in Britain yet, though they have been murdered in France and Belgium by Islamists in recent times, but the bulk of antisemitism and homophobia and apologism for those things in this country now emanates from Islamists and their left wing bag-carriers.

    Your own posts here are an illustration of the phenomenon – eager to claim Islamophobia – even more eager to treat misogyny, antisemitism and homophobia as unimportant or non-existent.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:29 pm

  45. Voting for Galloway? Do you live in his constituency then, “Neil”?

    (This is a genuine question btw. You may vote for Respect elsewhere – though may God have mercy on your soul if you do so in a marginal seat, if they’re standing in any – but not for Galloway personally.)

    If I were a litigious man I would be taking legal advice on the allegation that I am a PIE apologist. I have suggested, in other places, that the concentration on it by the Daily Mail in early 2014 was because they were worried that allegations about far worse things done in the same era by Tory MPs and other old-establishment figures such as they have always favoured would go public. I think I can fairly and confidently say that my suspicions have been borne out. But that is not the same thing as “defending” it.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:33 pm

  46. @februarycallendar – yes. that is exactly what Labour were doing. Ironically it was Woolas, the one whose dethronement as MP by legal means set the precedent for Galloway’s, who fronted Labour’s asylum hell policies.

    Here’s some stuff I wrote at the time:

    Labour is shunning gay Iraqis, asylum seekers

    US and UK failing to take Iraq’s gay pogrom seriously

    David Miliband and refugees: some context

    The Scars That Tell The Truth

    Iranian LGBT: Persecuted, harassed, raped, tortured, threatened with death, forced into operations

    I can’t deal with Neil any more. The inhumanity is too much. Find another interlocutor.

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 9:34 pm

  47. Neil has provided a portrait of the typical Galloway supporter. he is right, there is nothing more to say, apart from a battle on the meaning of ‘left’.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:36 pm

  48. february – I apologise and was mistaken about PIE. i just flicked thru yr blog.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:38 pm

  49. February – I was mistaken about PIE and you. I flicked thru your blog.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:39 pm

  50. Indeed.

    And that battle is half a century old at least, and this is a tiny part of it.

    And I have never regarded my own definition as the only legitimate one – nor do I even have a sole definition, as I flip back and forth between different kinds of “Left” at every moment of my life. But I know that – as Paul says – sheer *inhumanity* is never to be defended, wherever it comes from and whatever are its reasons. I am wary of using that term as a pejorative because I know how often it is used to dehumanise people in my own invisible minority in Anglosphere cultures, but it is absolutely the case here.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:45 pm

  51. For the record, when it comes to alliances of Old Left and Old Right in support of Galloway, Auberon Waugh was quite fond of GG as well, specifically over his defence of Saddam. Ironically I’d have always agreed far more with Bron than with anyone on Galloway’s sort of “Left” where the EU is concerned.


    April 12, 2015 at 9:46 pm

  52. Galloway attacks homophobia:


    April 12, 2015 at 10:19 pm

  53. Galloway has consistently fought homophobia. however, Zakir Naik is also allowed his opinion.
    What inhumanity, Paul?


    April 12, 2015 at 10:22 pm

  54. Febraury – i am only doing the same as you, when you call people ‘terror apologists’ such as CAGE when they are not that. I KNOW you aren’t an apologist for PIE, just as CAGE are NOT apologists for ISIS.

    I dont think you are apologist, and your article is well balanced.

    Paul – inhumanity? because people dont want to buy into your trip. hardly. why dont you campaign for the persecuted Christians of Pakistan? Or dont you care about them?


    April 12, 2015 at 10:29 pm

  55. I’ve never called CAGE “terror apologists” as far as I can remember. But even if I had, what pathetic and petty-minded tactics.

    Which article do you mean? The long one I wrote on my blog last August, or something else?

    I left another post here (re. Old Right admiration for Galloway) – is there any chance of putting that up, Andrew?


    April 12, 2015 at 10:38 pm

  56. @ Neil,

    “Zakir Naik is also allowed his opinion.”

    If a public figure said all Muslims should be executed, would you merely respond that that that person should be ‘allowed their opinion’?

    If MPs supposedly committed to social justice spoke warmly of such a person, would you shrug that off too?

    You are a bullshitter and a hypocrite.


    April 12, 2015 at 11:37 pm

  57. Zakir Naik is quoting from a collection of Hadith regarding homosexuality. He DOES NOT propose that anyone be stoned to death. In Leviticus it says:

    “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

    however, that does not mean that modern Jews or Christians want to kill anyone for this sin. Likewise, with Muslims. Zakir Naik does not advocate stoning, he is merely quoting hadith.
    February- this is what i mean, the deliberate distortion of peoples views is what you AWL do.

    Zakir Naik is not a Respect candidate tho. i quoted his quote from the hadith about black magic. tell me, is anyone trying to arrest and kill tarot card readers for black magic in the UK? No. likewise for this stoning gays quote. nobody is doing this or calling for it.

    Hypothetical situations of if someone was calling for the killing of muslims are a different issue. it would not be too wise however, as they might suffer a similar fate to Charlie for their provocations. i dont think that minority ethnic groups are the same as LGBT ‘communities’.

    Respect yourselves, and each other

    shalom, salaam


    April 13, 2015 at 12:20 am

  58. I’m not in the AWL (and for the record, I meant Labour not the AWL in that other thread; even if I lived in an ultra-safe urban Labour seat where the AWL were standing, I’d probably still vote Labour this time).

    I think the argument that *some* people on the Left regard persecuted Christians as an inconvenient group to stand up for – that they seem unfashionable and uncool, redolent of embarrassing older relatives and everything they’re fighting to escape in the context of Western culture – is a reasonable one. I’ve probably made it myself, on occasions. But Gallowayites are by no means immune from just such an attitude.


    April 13, 2015 at 12:45 am

  59. “In Leviticus it says:

    “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

    however, that does not mean that modern Jews or Christians want to kill anyone for this sin.”

    The reason we know modern Jews and Christians mostly don’t want to kill homosexuals is because they don’t make a habit of quoting that text. If they did, a rational person would think they were implicitly endorsing it,.

    “Likewise, with Muslims. Zakir Naik does not advocate stoning, he is merely quoting hadith.”

    Bull. He does advocate stoning. He has said so explicitly. And you have admitted above it is ‘his opinion’. Now you are trying to pretend he is merely quoting something he of course does not believe.

    ” i quoted his quote from the hadith about black magic. tell me, is anyone trying to arrest and kill tarot card readers for black magic in the UK? No. likewise for this stoning gays quote. Nobody is doing this or calling for it.”

    People have been executed for black magic in Saudi Arabia in recent years. Gay people are currently being executed by ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and are imprisoned or executed in most Muslim countries. This is not a hypothetical. And plenty of preachers in Britain have explicitly advocated this. They then do what you have done, which is to claim they are ‘merely quoting’, but they never deny the validity of the text. Why would you quote a text saying this or that group should be persecuted or killed in the first place if you yourself didn’t approve?

    Here is just one instance of him clarifying absolutely that he meant what he said:

    “Six years ago, Quick was condemned by New Zealand’s broadcasting authority for his fiery anti-gay broadcasts which included these claims: – AIDS is caused by the “filthy practices” of homosexuals – Homosexuals are dropping dead from AIDS and “they want to take us all down with them” – The Islamic position on homosexuality is “death” – Homosexuals are “sick” and “not natural” – “Muslims are going to have to take a stand [against homosexuals] and it’s not enough to call names”.

    Unrepentant, he continues to hold this position: “They said ‘what is the Islamic position [on homosexuality]?’ And I told them. Put my name in the paper. The punishment is death. And I’m not going to change this religion.”[1] ”


    Your pitiful excuses for the man are a disgrace.

    And while I have answered plenty of your questions, you have studiously avoided giving straight answers to mine. So try again:

    1. If a public figure said all Muslims should be executed, would you merely respond that that that person should be ‘allowed their opinion’?

    2. If MPs supposedly committed to social justice spoke warmly of such a person, would you shrug that off too?

    Cut the bullshit and answer those.


    April 13, 2015 at 12:46 am

  60. ” i dont think that minority ethnic groups are the same as LGBT ‘communities’.”

    They are equally deserving of human and civil rights and not having a death sentence pronounced on them. Evidently you believe LGBT people are less deserving of basic human rights.

    ” it would not be too wise however, as they might suffer a similar fate to Charlie for their provocations.”

    Whether it would be wise or not has nothing to do with whether it is right. You seem to think that it is the threat of violence in response makes it wrong. That is not why it is wrong. What a creepy notion of justice you have.

    “Respect yourselves, and each other

    shalom, salaam”

    I’ll respect those who respect me. I won’t respect those who say I should be killed, nor will I respect those who make excuses for them.

    As for ‘Shalom, Salaam’, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim, so you can save that for someone who is.


    April 13, 2015 at 12:53 am

  61. Lamia – you are making up hypothetical situations and false equivalences.I will answer your question if you tell me if you’re an equal opportunities hater of religion, or do you just hate Islam in particular. If you are a Christian, I would ask you to justify your stand, as I am sure it is not any kind of real Christianity.

    If you are an atheist, and you hate all religions, why? Have you thought maybe they may be right?
    IERA is a good organization, and you should contact them regarding questions of Islam.

    1) depends who
    2) depends who

    ie is it a real threat or just some media blah blah? if it was a serious and powerful person, meeting other powerful people, i would suspect that the BNP have taken power, and there is no point talking.

    Islamic homophobia, as i have shown, is mainly media blah blah. Muslims think its wrong because that is the teaching, but nobody wants to kill anyone.

    IERA are not what you portray them to be. Hamza Tzortzis spoke at an Anti Fascist rally against Pegida. They are anti fascists, not fascists. I thought we were all on the same side on this issue, or do you support


    April 13, 2015 at 1:20 am

  62. socialists don’t talk about ‘the muslims’ (or other ‘identity’ groups), they talk about class.

    socialists don’t talk about ‘tradition’ or ‘honour’ they talk about rights and equality.

    socialists don’t ‘slut shame’ women, call them tarts or harpies and tell them they should be seen and not heard

    socialists don’t denigrate the rights oppressed minorities using the language and methods (and outright lies) of their oppressors.

    socialists do none of these things.

    national ‘socialists’ on the other hand, are concerned with all these things — the ‘identity group’, ‘tradition’, ‘honour’, that women must ‘know their place’ and that minorities ‘endanger’ the purity or integrity of the ‘identity group’.

    redkorat☭ (@red_korat)

    April 13, 2015 at 2:15 am

  63. Bit of thread, but how come NONE of the far left websites have given any space to the events in Yarmouk camp or Yemen? I am keen to know who the far left support, is it ISIS/Al Nusra or the Other? NO direction there. The IS Network appear to have given up completely, nothing has been posted on their site since the end of March. So many questions, no answers.

    Sue R

    April 13, 2015 at 11:37 am

  64. I think Paul Canning has linked to the most important point: how good is Naz Shah?

    This is something I was talking about with a comrade this morning on the allotments.

    This is what the article says,

    “Naz Shah is well known. She has worked as an activist and in some well publicised roles in the NHS. She has been outspoken on issues that are incredibly close to her own heart: abuse, inequality, poverty and injustices. In the week following her selection, the national media have pounced on the story. Here is a woman who has had, by any standards, a horrendous set of circumstances to live through as a child. She’s battled back, she’s made something of herself, she is a credit to herself and to her family.

    And it is quite right that the national media should applaud the work that Naz has done in relation to women’s rights. She, along with others, has campaigned vigorously for years to right wrongs and to exact change. All highly laudable but not really what an election campaign is about. A seat at Westminster is about more than the life experiences that have shaped a candidates ideals. It is, or ought to be, about political vision, the ability to make change for the good of the constituency and the ability to persuade the electorate as a whole that they are best suited to represent the views of not themselves but of the electors.”


    The rest of the article is about what local people think, but we are making wider judgements and the first bit is important for us.

    Andrew Coates

    April 13, 2015 at 12:04 pm

  65. Paul Canning

    April 13, 2015 at 12:54 pm

  66. @SueR – did you see Mehdi Hasan in the Observer on Yarmouk? I noticed how low his piece was in ‘most viewed; relatively few comments or RTs. Very telling.

    @Andrew – Naz Shah had a worrying run in with The Tablet.


    “Bradford is not much of a place to be a Jew. There are fewer than 300 Jews living in the city and only a handful observant. The city’s one Jewish politician is very quiet about his origins, Orthodox Jews are nervous to walk around in kippot, and even a Jewish funeral has been attacked by marauding Muslim anti-Zionist protesters. Even the candidates bidding to dislodge George Galloway now mimic his pro-Palestinian rhetoric, seeking to outdo each other in their condemnation of Israel. The only party that stands a chance of dislodging him is the Labour Party. I contacted every leading candidate bidding to represent them against George Galloway. Most had websites exhibiting photos of themselves at pro-Palestinian protests. Only two wrote back: One Labor hopeful responded rather bizarrely to my request for an interview on the subject of anti-Semitism with a video and transcript of herself speaking at a pro-Palestinian rally. Another, Naz Shah, a Palestine activist I contacted by Twitter direct message stopped responding when I explained Tablet magazine was a Jewish publication. Shah was finally selected to fight Galloway for Labour from an all-Muslim shortlist. The first candidate selected by Labour withdrew amid accusations Pakistani clan elders were unhappy.”

    http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/189347/a-polite-hatred-2-bradford-galloway [part of a series on Jews in Britain]

    Although I agree with the general idea that getting more women like her into parliament is a good idea she does seem to be politically naive and that has shown.

    But it’s a Labour stuff up in the end, if she loses, which the bookies are predicting. A Labour candidate should have been battling Galloway much earlier, he is vulnerable on being a showboat and on what he has actually done for Bradford. At last night’s hustings it was education not Gaza that people wanted to hear about. The Muslim vote is not 50% but 25% and he has pissed off plenty of that. Labour knew what it needed to do because it ordered an investigation after 2012 but it didn’t do anything with the results. It won’t be Naz’s fault if she loses but Labour’s

    Paul Canning

    April 13, 2015 at 1:06 pm

  67. I saw Hasan#s piece. He blames Israel for the situation, so no change there. As long as the Muslim world lives in denial it will never progress.

    Sue R

    April 13, 2015 at 1:33 pm

  68. @SueR – Huh? The title is ‘The Palestinians of Yarmouk and the shameful silence when Israel is not to blame’!


    “Those who try to use the tragedy of Yarmouk to excuse or downplay Israel’s 48-year occupation of Palestine should be ashamed of themselves. But what of the rest of us? Can we afford to stay in our deep slumber, occasionally awakening to lavishly condemn only Israel? Let’s be honest: how different, how vocal and passionate, would our reaction be if the people besieging Yarmouk were wearing the uniforms of the IDF?

    Our selective outrage is morally unsustainable. Many of us who have raised our voices in support of the Palestinian cause have inexcusably turned a blind eye to the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arabs in recent decades: by the Jordanian military in the Black September conflicts of the early 1970s; by Lebanese militias in the civil war of the mid-1980s; by Kuwaiti vigilantes after the first Gulf war, in the early 1990s. Egypt, the so-called “heart of the Arab world”, has colluded with Israel in the latter’s eight-year blockade of Gaza.”

    Although the comment count seems to have gone up it’s definitely being ignored in the quarters you’d expect from a Twitter view. Nevertheless, I agree with Tom Owolade

    Paul Canning

    April 13, 2015 at 3:01 pm

  69. I’m glad he wrote it, too.

    Nice to have confirmation upthread that “kimchee” and “jackson” / “dave” / “neil” are, indeed, the same person. Which makes me wonder in which incarnation (if either) “he” was expressing “his” actual views.

    It seems to me that much of the dissonance between Galloway and a lot of the modern English Left is to do with a broader Anglo-Scottish dissonance, where Scotland has remained more economically left-wing but also more socially and culturally right-wing. Galloway may have been a No (and I think any fears he may have had that Scottish independence would cause an upsurge of anti-Muslim bigotry in England were justified) but it’s the same dissonance as exists with the pro-independence movement.


    April 13, 2015 at 7:14 pm

  70. I made a post here earlier this evening – any chance of putting it up?


    April 14, 2015 at 12:47 am

  71. Why would Scottish independence lead to a growth in anti-Muslim bigotry? Please explain. Mehdi Hasan is a Shia and they are fighting ISIS at the moment. True, he did not have to accept moral responsibility for commenting on the situation in Yarmouk though. I’ve just looked up the name of the ecological catastrophe in Iran, it’s Lake Hamoun. Lake Hamoun is, or rather was, a series of wetlands on the Iran/Afghan border which due to over-population, over farming and a long drought has all but disappeared. Yemen already has water rationing in place. These ecological disasters will get worse without the will to amend them.

    Sue R

    April 14, 2015 at 3:32 pm

  72. “Why would Scottish independence lead to a growth in anti-Muslim bigotry?”

    Actually Scottish Independence is more likely to result in Labour doubling-down on its friendliness to Islamists, in a bid to consolidate inner city seats in England. Those who will suffer most will be women, Jews, gay people and anyone else who doesn’t much fancy having their lives and the law dictated by Islamist thugs and their left-wing water-carriers.

    For the first time in history, we will end up with an England where you will find more principled belief in equal rights regardless of religion, race, gender or sexual orientation in the ‘conservative’ countryside than in the ‘progressive’ city.

    At this rate, Jews especially will be persona non grata in Britain in the next couple of decades, because of the bigotry and connivance of the ‘anti-zionist’ political left. Those who vote for today’s nominally ‘left wing’ parties are playing a part in that.


    April 14, 2015 at 6:25 pm

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