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Galloway in Fight for Dear Life as Mudslinging at Naz Shah Backfires.

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It’s all go in Bradford for Britain’s 3rd Highest Outside Earning Parliamentarian.

The BBC reports,

A hustings in the seat of Bradford West has started trending online – because of a claim by George Galloway about his opponent’s forced marriage.

The hashtag #BradfordWest has been retweeted more than 2,000 times after an exchange between the Respect candidate George Galloway and the Labour candidate Naz Shah.

After she was selected as Labour candidate, Shah published an open letter which outlined her extraordinary upbringing. She said she had grown up in severe poverty after her father eloped with a neighbour. She was then sent to Pakistan to escape her mother’s abusive partner and while there, aged 15, she says she was forced to marry. Her mother eventually killed her abusive partner and was jailed, which meant that Shah had to care for two younger siblings. She left her husband in 1992, and became active in politics after her mother’s imprisonment.

But George Galloway of the Respect Party, whom she is running against for the seat, has attacked her claim that she was forced into a marriage at 15 – or at least, that part of his hustings speech is what picked up the most attention on social media when aclip of Galloway’s speech found its way onto YouTube. Shah maintains that her version of events is true.

Galloway, we recall has an “interesting” relation to the truth.

Then comes the decisive point,

Galloway claims that Shah has “only a passing acquaintance with the truth, you claimed and gullible journalists believed you that you were subject to a forced marriage at the age of 15 but you were not 15. You were 16 and a half.” He then produces a document which he claims is Shah’s nikah (a marriage certificate produced when people are wed under Shariah law). The Guardian’s Northern Editor Helen Pidd, who attended the hustings and who was live tweeting throughout the event reported that Shah “utterly refuted the allegations and said she had the documentation to prove it.” Shah accused Galloway of sending someone to Pakistan to impersonate her dead father in order to obtain her “nikah” and vowed to sue Galloway after the general election.

The Guardian’s live tweeting of the hustings started to attract attention on Twitter, but unusually given the parties involved, Conservative commentators were among the first ones to leap to Shah’s defence online. The former Conservative MP Louise Mensch was the first to take up the issue. “HOW DID YOU OBTAIN NAZ SHAH’S PRIVATE RELIGIOUS DOCUMENTATION” she asked on Twitter. “I’m not a Labour supporter,” Mensch tweeted. “But I am a feminist. And if anyone thinks they can smear @NazShahBfd to influence an election they are mistaken.”

Yup, this is what the Guardian says, George Galloway says his Labour opponent tried to join his party

Respect MP claims Naz Shah formerly asked to represent his party, but she accuses him of ordering someone to impersonate her dead father.

Galloway said Shah made the request to represent Respect the day after initially failing to be selected by Labour, coming last in a vote by local party members. She was only chosen after the original winner, London Labour councillor Amina Ali,abruptly quit, citing childcare issues.

Shah, who has admitted she voted and campaigned for Galloway in the 2012 byelection, said she had been making a joke and could produce a conversation on messaging app Whatsapp to prove it.

She then accused Galloway of ordering someone to go to Pakistan and pretend to be her dead father in order to obtain her Islamic marriage certificate, the nikah. Galloway had earlier told hustings that Shah had lied about being forced into marriage aged 15, producing the nikah from his jacket pocket, to gasps from one half of the 200-strong audience at the Carlisle Business Centre and cheers from the other. He said the certificate proved she had in fact been 16 and a half.

Shah said she “absolutely refuted” the allegation that she had lied, insisting she had the documentation to prove it, asking Galloway: “What has my nikah got to do with Bradford West? What have your four marriages got to do with Bradford West?” She then pledged to sue Galloway after the general election.

Labour List says,

Shah has said this took place when she was 15, but Galloway went to extreme lengths last night to produce a “nikah” (an Islamic marriage certificate) from Pakistan (which Shah says was obtained by someone pretending to be her deceased father).

They comment,

Regardless, we’re not sure what difference it makes whether someone was forced into an arranged marriage at 15 or 16 – surely it’s unacceptable either way Mr Galloway?

There are claims that Galloway has broken electoral law.

This is not the first such charge.

A few days ago there was this,

George Galloway is on the campaign trail as a candidate now that Parliament has been dissolved – he is not an MP. Yet he persistently breaks electoral law by handing out leaflets which refer to him as an MP as well as failing to notify his website’s visitors that he is now no longer an elected representative.

Here is the latest Bradford West Life leaflet, currently being distributed by George Galloway for the election.

Note the line: “Monthly newsletter of George Galloway MP”

Backbencher. 

Written by Andrew Coates

April 9, 2015 at 5:49 pm

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  1. What a nasty piece of work Galloway is, incapable of competing against anyone without trying to smear their character.

    I hope sane people in Bradford East will get behind Naz Shah, who looks to be the best hope of turfing the creep out.

    Lamia

    April 9, 2015 at 7:18 pm

  2. Sorry, Bradford West, not Bradford East.

    Lamia

    April 9, 2015 at 7:20 pm

  3. This is Ms Shahs website that everyone is reading defending herself against her imprisonment in the 1990’s for Fraud, Murder, etc etc: hehttp://nazshah.besaba.com/ I think the Judge and Jury were liars.

    emily

    April 9, 2015 at 8:02 pm

  4. emily

    April 9, 2015 at 8:03 pm

  5. i hope Galloway wins; Shah is a nobody and a complete opportunist. Whether you like it or not, Galloway is the best known voice on the left from Britain at both a national and international level.

    If you were really left, you would support Galloway critically, not some opportunist liar such as Naz Shah.
    i dont think that Galloway is fighting for his life; its what you AWL want, but it is not reality.

    support Labour! how pathetic for so called Marxists in the social imperialist AWL.

    neil

    April 9, 2015 at 10:57 pm

  6. Naz Shah has attacked the Pakistani community and painted them as backwards. They will not vote for her after she has been exposed so brilliantly in the website above and by George Galloway.

    Galloway should be Prime Minister and leader of the Labour Party. Instead he’ s basically an independent on the outside of the establishment who has consistently stood for what he believed in.

    a strong Galloway will also mean that the STWC will have a strong voice in parliament to argue against any more imperialist adventuring in the middle east. George Galloway has consistently condemned ISIS even before Tendance and the AWL.

    I think there is a reason for you spite against Galloway, and its basically because you are a) jealous of his popularity and good looks b) wish your leader were half as charismatic and popular as Galloway.

    neil

    April 9, 2015 at 11:06 pm

  7. Sean Matgamna – who he again?
    see the man at work; and how is he wrong here?

    neil

    April 9, 2015 at 11:10 pm

  8. The difference between 15 and 16? You don’t have to ask prior to each insertion.

    redkorat☭ (@red_korat)

    April 10, 2015 at 5:24 am

  9. “Shah is a nobody” – and it’s important that the parliament be free of ‘nobodies’ in order that gentlemen can get about their business. Let ‘nobodies’ in and next thing you know bloody women will be demanding the right to vote or wanting to wear *trousers* — the world’s gone mad!

    redkorat☭ (@red_korat)

    April 10, 2015 at 5:35 am

  10. There is should really be no need, amongst rational people with even a passing acquaintance with political and personal decency, to denounce the scum-bag Galloway (but it’s worth doing so as he continues to affront civilised values). As for voting Labour, the likes of “neil” should try reading ‘Left Wing Communism’ and then explain why Lenin was wrong and/or his arguments no longer apply. But that would involve reading and thought, so is probably beyond “neil.”

    Jim Denham

    April 10, 2015 at 8:17 am

  11. I imagine that the anonymous dossier, The Truth about Naz Shah, Bradford West’s Labour Party Candidate for 2015 General Election http://nazshah.besaba.com/#sthash.oTXRk7on.dpuf is libelous,

    “”5. NAZ SHAH FOCUSES ATTENTION ON HER SCANDALOUS PERSONAL LIFE AND AVOIDS TALKING ABOUT POLICIES” “8. NAZ SHAH IS REVILED AND SHUNNED BY PEOPLE IN HER PERSONAL LIFE” “9. NAZ SHAH ASTOUNDINGLY BRAGS ABOUT BEING UNEDUCATED AND UNREAD” “. 80% OF THE INFORMATION NAZ SHAH’S PEDDLES ABOUT HER AND HER MOTHER’S HISTORY ARE LIES ” “10 THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT NAZ SHAH’S MOTHER. Zoora Shah is the convicted killer mother who Naz Shah of Bradford Labour regularly praises in interviewsNAZ SHAH’S MOTHER IS A KILLER AND NOTORIOUS CRIMINAL WHO HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY AND IMPRISONED FOR MULTIPLE CRIMES. THE SEPARATE PRISON SENTENCES SHE WAS AWARDED WERE 7 YEARS, 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS, AND ALSO A LIFE SENTENCE”

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2015 at 11:16 am

  12. Galloway’s mates are also harassing Guardian journalist Helen Pidd on Twitter,

    “Verified account ‏@helenpidd

    Not been called a “zionist shill” by Galloway’s crew before. Had “angry white stalker”, “stupid woman” etc. They’re a classy bunch.”
    and another example,

    Helen Pidd retweeted
    joanne stowell @JOYOURPAPARAZZI · 3h 3 hours ago

    @BinaShah @AgeofMockery Its scribbled by Zionist shill @helenpidd a lying hack who is disgustingly helping destroy journalism for her agenda

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

  13. Welcome to the wonderful world of Middle Eastern and South Asian politics. Where personal power is everything and class is naught.

    Sue R

    April 10, 2015 at 11:47 am

  14. Galloway may have learnt something about already existing communalism from his time as an MP in Glasgow, a place where this is not unknown, if my ILP grandparents were to be believed.

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2015 at 12:22 pm

  15. George Galloway is clearly rattled here. It’s interesting that his attack upon Naz Shah is entirely ad hominem and devoid of any political content. Does anyone know what her political views are?

    Dr Paul

    April 10, 2015 at 1:12 pm

  16. Sue R – you dont know what you’re talking about. since when is Bradford south asia or the middle east?
    are there not big communist parties in some south asian and middle eastern countries? it seems to me a racist thing to say, which is not surprising coming from AWL supporters.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 1:40 pm

  17. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce dor the gander. I’m surprised this is still up – could it be true?

    Anon Emousr

    April 10, 2015 at 2:14 pm

  18. Re Galloway’s communalism in Glasgow mentioned by Andrew.

    You don’t have to back to when he was an MP to see this at work. The leaflet below was when he tried to play the “Green and White Card” in his attempt to be elected to the Scottish Parliament in 2011.

    The other two Celtic supporters featured are millionaire Brian Dempsey and (the late) Paul McBride who had defected to the Tories from Labour in 2009. So, no “Unite the working class under a bold socialist programme against sectarianism” here then.

    John R

    April 10, 2015 at 2:42 pm

  19. What will hopefully underdo the likes of Neil and those thuggishly attacking Shah is GG’s neglect of his constituency.

    Bradford has about the worst performing schools in the country. This is nothing to do with the makeup of who live there as similar places – like Tower Hamlets – have seen their schools turned around. There are lots of comment I’m seeing about real issues and, recall, this was why many local people dropped him after he was elected. It came up forcefully at the Hustings. From what I read GG’s claims to be behind any positive development in the city are widely derided.

    Do people in Bradford really want a showboating, ‘internationally respected’ ‘great orator’ as touted by the likes of Neil? Or an MP who can actually do something for the people who live there?

    Paul Canning

    April 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm

  20. i dont care about Galloway’s private life.
    Paul Canning – how insincere and hypocritical you are. as if its really about that, and the reason the AWL crew are all upset about Galloway is because of schools.

    Jim Denham – what a deluded person you are! as if quoting ‘left wing communism’ proves much in this context. as if the AWL or the Labour party were the Bolsheviks.

    We need Galloway to provide a strong and reasonable anti war voice in parliament. Shah cannot do that, which is why she is being put forward to challenge Galloway. you should watch this, i imagine it was a member of the AWL that phoned up Galloway on the burqa.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 3:54 pm

  21. Neil, it’s not ‘the AWL crew’, it’s his constituents and a whole lot of pissed off Asian women.

    Not only do they care about their city and want a real advocate for it instead of a grandstanding rich male cunt (he’s the sole ‘anti war’ MP? You have got to be kidding) but they are sick of stuff like this defending forced marriage and rape. This is saying that all women speaking out are defaming the community!

    There are masses of women angry because Galloway is attacking Shah not for her politics but because she spoke out. According to Galloway Shah told her story in order to – quote – “smear her community”.

    Neil, the Emperor has no clothes …

    Paul Canning

    April 10, 2015 at 4:27 pm

  22. George Galloway is frequently on Iranian State supported ‘Press TV’ (last appearance yesterday).

    https://www.facebook.com/GeorgeGallowayMP?fref=nf

    “George Galloway has earned £65,000 in just six months as a presenter and guest for dubious state-run broadcasters.

    The Bradford MP is the highest earner of any MP, raking in the cash for his polemics against the West on the Kremlin-backed Russia Today and from LBP TV, a channel run out of the offices of Press TV which is now banned by Ofcom. Galloway still presents two shows for the channel, whose head was appointed directly by Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei, but on an unpaid basis.

    Through his television work, Galloway has doubled his income. He earns £67,000 as a Member of Parliament, and he declared £25,600 for work on Russia Today, £21,450 from LBP TV and £18,000 from Arab-focused satellite channel Al-Mayadeen TV between January and April (he has yet to declare for May and June).”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/11/george-galloway-russia-today_n_5577661.html

    More background to Press TV: “Mr Bahari says he was tortured and then forced to make his confession on television, under threat of execution. He describes how he sat inside a room in the prison, before three cameras, and responded to questions suggested by a government interrogator, who stood behind a red curtain. He says he kept his blindfold on his knee, in full view, so it should have been clear that he was under duress. Press TV then broadcast the confession.” (2010). ”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ofcom-investigates-irans-press-tv-over-interview-1996131.html

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2015 at 5:10 pm

  23. Press TV is great; all state TV channels are linked with the state. The BBC is hardly completely clean is it.
    I think Galloway does a great job on Press TV. whats your problem?

    its odd that the AWL are now pretending they stand up for Asian women. Ha!
    you’re just zionists with a marxist cover.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 5:19 pm

  24. Huma has got a chip on her shoulder; perhaps she should watch this by the inspiring Lauren Booth.
    Tendance Coatesy are soft Islamophobes.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 6:00 pm

  25. “neil” is a very ignorant person (see his comments about the Labour party and “Bolshevism” above) as well as an apologist for and promoter of Islamo-fascism. Might he just possibly be Whacko-Jacko under another name? Anyway, Andrew, I think you should give him his ticket.

    Jim Denham

    April 10, 2015 at 6:23 pm

  26. how am i ignorant? for questioning the value of Lenin’s comments in this somewhat unrelated issue?
    i’m not an apologist for Islamo-fascism, not least because there is not such thing. Galloway has never defended ISIS, and neither do I.

    you have just got a pro-zionist line, which is somewhat similar to Christopher Hitchens, and are an Islamophobe, with the same islamophobic obsessions that Geert Wilders and others share.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 6:40 pm

  27. I do not doubt that under certain social conditions, patronage assumes an important role and class solidarity or consciousness is very weak. That such conditions existed in early 20th century Glasgow (and very many places around the world too is not in doubt. The question is a) do you recognise it and b) what do you do about it. Socialists may offer one solution, those not so socialist another. Maybe Huma has seen the video of the former drunk Lauren Booth and decided she doesn’t agree. Women don’t have to always agree with men or even other women..

    Sue R

    April 10, 2015 at 6:42 pm

  28. Sue R – so are you a working class spokesperson, or just an Islamophobic bigot hiding under leftist slogans like the rest of the AWL? are the AWL even socialists?

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 6:45 pm

  29. Here’s Huma Munshi, the woman Neil says has ‘a chip on her shoulder’. http://mediadiversified.org/2014/02/11/in-fear-of-dishonour-when-the-perpetrators-are-family/

    I’m not AWL and neither is Huma but Neil and Galloway’s behaviour is just bog standard leftie male misogyny.

    Vile.

    Paul Canning

    April 10, 2015 at 7:27 pm

  30. no its not. I’ve got no problem with Huma or Shah, but they are playing into someone elses narrative, that of Islamophobes like the AWL. another one brought up is to set up lgbt against muslims etc. these are all reactionary islamophobic narratives.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 7:36 pm

  31. it would be better to call this article ” Tendance Coatesey an AWL front blog in fight for dear life as mudslinging at George Galloway backfires”

    this is a mudslinging islamophobic blog. thats all it is really.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 7:47 pm

  32. watch this:

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 7:49 pm

  33. here’s the AWL and their allies at work in the last Bradford elections;

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 7:55 pm

  34. this says it all; listen to this; that’s bye from me:

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm

  35. iERA is an Islamic missionary organisation, why should non-Muslims (or anyone else) listen to what they have to say. It’s the equivalent of taking the Jehovah’s Witness or the Salvation Army as the guardians of truth. (And, neither of those two organisations subscribe to the violent spread of their beliefs. You seem to have difficulty recognising that there are legitimate criticisms of Islam such as the stoning to death of homosexuals which is sanctified in sharia law. Why do you have a bee in your bonnet about the AWL? I am not involved with that group, I occasionally read Shiraz Socialist or Workers’ Liberty, but that is as far as it goes. Other people apart from the AWL have well-founded criticisms of Islam and Islamicism. Let’s face it, the Muslim world is hardly covering itself in glory at the moment.

    Sue R

    April 10, 2015 at 8:09 pm

  36. If you don’t have a problem with someone, don’t say they have a “chip on their shoulder” – what a horrible, sneering, know-your-place phrase that is, either Tory or reactionary socialist. It sounds like a father in a kitchen sink drama abusing his son for daring to have a degree.

    (Can I also say that most of the “best” local authorities for schools are completely bogus: they’re only there because they have retained grammar schools and so can concentrate good grades artificially in a few schools. Huge numbers of people in those boroughs aren’t so lucky in terms of education. The placing of Isles of Scilly is artificial in a different way.)

    februarycallendar

    April 10, 2015 at 8:34 pm

  37. ‘Let’s face it, the Muslim world is hardly covering itself in glory at the moment.’
    And is Israel, the UK/US/EU axis covering themselves in glory? you betray your own prejudices. it is anti Islam in particular; that is your obsession.

    stoning of homosexuals is not something anybody believes in doing in the UK. gay imperialism, or the use by imperialism of LGBT issues to attack Islamic and African countries especially.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 8:36 pm

  38. You should dialogue with IERA; that is put forward your arguments in public debate with IERA. that should put you right.

    Huma is getting angry about something which she doesn’t understand. the issue is Naz Shah being put up by people who have no interest in womens issues in asian communities at all; she is simply being put up to bash Galloway by some rather dubious characters. Galloway stood against Oona King before, and he was attacked then as well in a similar manner by similar people, how dare he stand against a black and jewish female candidate etc. Oona King was another nobody, just someone that ticks different boxes, no real political vision at all.

    Galloway is consistent, and has championed Palestine and anti war positions consistently. thats what is important. thats what is being attacked by you and by the puppet Naz Shah.

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 8:44 pm

  39. I’ ll give you Galloway is consistent – a consistent sectarian, a consistent sucker of dictators’ dicks, a consistent opportunist, a consistent litigious scumbug, a consistent arsehole who makes light of rape (which is what forced marriage is and why did Salma Yaqoob break with him?), a consistent windbag, a consistent money grubber, a consistent shite MP.

    Rosie

    April 10, 2015 at 9:03 pm

  40. I know some people (well, one person in particular) is going to scream “racist” at this, but what use is a movement which barely exists outside a few inner-city areas with demographics which are comparatively unusual *even in urban England*, and (rightly or wrongly) depends on those demographics and would be utterly lost without them, if we are going to put *the whole of this country* in a more progressive direction?

    Respect is effectively useless and meaningless for millions of Left-leaning people. There is only one hope for all of us.

    If “neil” is another one of those Leftists who wouldn’t care if non-metropolitan southern England became a caliphate under the control of the November 9th Society, maybe that would explain everything. Certainly, you’d have to be of that ilk to see Respect as your sole and only legitimate hope and everyone else as completely indistinguishable.

    februarycallendar

    April 10, 2015 at 9:05 pm

  41. How is Huma getting angry about “something she doesn’t understand”?

    She has experienced forced marriage. Nobody who hasn’t experienced it has any right to tell her that she doesn’t understand it. If conservative Muslims want to call Naz Shah a puppet, that’s their right. But it’s not anyone else’s right.

    I know “neil” thinks Huma doesn’t understand “the real forces pulling everyone’s strings”, etc, etc, but even if you believed in those forces, that wouldn’t take away her right to be angry at forced marriage, and her absolute understanding of it through direct personal experience.

    februarycallendar

    April 10, 2015 at 9:09 pm

  42. Let’s have Huma’s own words. Perhaps Neil will read them for a little insight on forced marriage.

    http://mediadiversified.org/2014/02/11/in-fear-of-dishonour-when-the-perpetrators-are-family/

    Fleeing a forced marriage ten years ago was an instinctive act of survival. Staying would have put me in grave physical harm and may have been the death of my spiritual and emotional self. I left with a carrier bag of clothes and my passport. I left without knowing I would have anywhere to stay that night. I left and have never returned.

    I am haunted by the fact that I could have had the same fate as Shafilea Ahmed [murdered by her parents]. The circumstances of my last night before fleeing were desperately frightening. Shafilea and I both bought dishonour to our family. For reasons I still cannot understand, I ran and saved my life. I wish with all my heart that she was helped to leave by the services that should have supported her. I wish she had been saved. 

    It is difficult to explain to those that have not lived in fear of bringing dishonour to the family how stifling that life is. Your every action is scrutinised for the dishonour, and therefore perceived harm, it could bring your family.  When you are socialised in that way, you internalise the feelings of shame; it permeates your existence: you feel shame for wanting a different life, to dress in a way that reflects your sexuality, your individuality; you feel shame that you desire and want to be desired.

    Rosie

    April 10, 2015 at 10:26 pm

  43. huma is another ayaan hirsi ali; another victim who makes a career from her suffering, because its useful for others. malala is another.

    Galloway is not a misogynist; the ladies obviously dont think so. that video above with the ‘tart’ selling her story as Galloway’s ex lover is a cheap and nasty mudslinging video.

    Rosie – chill out. you’ve got a chip on your shoulder about Galloway.

    Februarycaller – you are a racist. you are seeing demographics and thinking along those lines,
    Respect is obviously not the alternative, but you have to be pretty foolish to believe that Labour is the only hope for us, or do you mean the AWL?

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 10:32 pm

  44. You really don’t know what “chip on your shoulder” means, do you, you illiterate piece of shit.

    Rosie

    April 10, 2015 at 10:39 pm

  45. Rosie-your language speaks volumes. why have you got a personal problem with Galloway. Perhaps its because you’re attracted to him at some level?

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm

  46. ‘you feel shame that you desire and want to be desired.’ – do you? you should get out more, you can also check out
    http://www.pof.com/

    that should help you. if you need to lose weight, then get on the exercise bike!

    neil

    April 10, 2015 at 10:56 pm

  47. “neil” is certainly His Master’s Voice. His Master thought Helen Pidd must fancy him, really, because she wrote stuff about his high earnings. https://twitter.com/helenpidd/status/586442923970990080/photo/1 Rather a well, debased? reductive? view of women. I’d guess “neil” wears a Fedora as well and wanks over pictures of some of His Master’s wives.

    Rosie

    April 11, 2015 at 12:09 am

  48. Rosie – i refuse to go down to your level of abuse. crawl back under the stone you crawled out from.

    the fact is that you are all opposed to Galloway because you are zionists. the rest of the stuff about Naz or anyone else is circumstantial. You have a problem with Islam, with Muslims, and with George Galloway.

    i bet you know the people who were responsible for Galloway being attacked, or you have secret sympathy with them. am i right?

    neil

    April 11, 2015 at 1:20 am

  49. It’s always a good look when wealthy men tell uppity asian women to shut up (know their place and be decorative).

    ‘Gay imperialism’ — all them pink B-1B bombers eh?

    redkorat☭ (@red_korat)

    April 11, 2015 at 1:21 am

  50. You’re not right. You’re a paranoid idiot. You’re a horrible piece of work. This exchange is over.

    Rosie

    April 11, 2015 at 8:51 am

  51. I suppose that makes a senior member of the British Communist Party who first told me about what a piece of shite Calloway is (back in the late 1990s)- another Zionist!

    Andrew Coates

    April 11, 2015 at 10:48 am

  52. I think when the CPB decided not to throw in its lot with Respect shortly after it was formed, this was at least partly on the basis of a sober assessment of the forces and individuals involved…

    Francis

    April 11, 2015 at 12:31 pm

  53. Who “sees demographics and thinks along those lines”? The Respect party. I’m only acknowledging that they do in response to the fact that they do. Ditto for all my acknowledgements of race and religion. I wish I didn’t have to.

    Those who ostensibly decry the concept of misogyny really shouldn’t use, immediately afterwards, Mailesque language such as “the ladies”.

    februarycallendar

    April 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm

  54. Sadly ‘Neil’ is more representative of the left currently than those who are rightly reviling him here. Labour just several MPs to speak alongside a bunch of antisemitic, misogynistic and homophobic preachers at the MEND conference. The ‘mainstream’ left Guardian regularly gives favourable coverage and platforms to such people.

    If Cameron sent several MPs to speak at a BNP conference, the entire left would be erupt with rage. When Labour does the equivalent, that’s quite all right with the same ‘human rights’, ‘peace and justice’, ‘progressive’ left. Shameful – but even in 2015 you’re still not ashamed. You’ll still all be voting Labour or further left, won’t you?

    Lamia

    April 11, 2015 at 7:13 pm

  55. Louise Mensch makes a very good argument that Galloway’s actions smearing Shah are a breach of electoral law http://unfashionista.com/2015/04/11/the-election-bradford-west-has-been-hopelessly-tainted/

    She cites the basis on which the vile Labour MP Phil Woolas was thrown out as a means to deal with Galloway if he is reelected.

    Paul Canning

    April 11, 2015 at 9:15 pm

  56. Rosie – you’re the one who said “…sucker of dictators’ dicks” to describe GG. Keep your fantasies to yourself.
    CPB- pathetic has beens.
    FebruaryCaller – no there is nothing wrong with using the term ‘ladies’. ie to enjoy the fine things in life, such as wearing a fedora hat, smoking fine cigars and enjoying the company of fine ladies describes Galloway. There is nothing wrong with this. This is not ‘mailesque’.

    Lamia- not at all. MEND is not a platform for antisemitic, misogynism or homophobia. It is simply about ‘Muslim Engagement and Development’. Issues about Israel, wearing the veil and modesty and opposition to gay marriage are views of many ordinary Muslims and others. It is not a hate fest at all, and nothing like the BNP. I think on the issue of Halal/Kosher there is agreement between Jewish and Muslim as well as on other issues. It is you who are Islamophobic and see fascism everywhere, even though it is not there.

    neil

    April 11, 2015 at 9:18 pm

  57. if that Tory hag Louise Mensch is attacking Galloway, he must be doing something right.
    Naz Shah is indeed the spiv being supported by elements that are hostile to the working class.

    neil

    April 11, 2015 at 9:28 pm

  58. Lamia,

    I shall vote Labour because I think it’s the best option for everyone in the United Kingdom in terms of *social justice*. Change the record, please.

    I’ve given up debating with Neil. This does not indicate agreement, merely exhaustion (and revulsion at the use of words like “hag”, however much you disagree with someone).

    februarycallendar

    April 11, 2015 at 11:02 pm

  59. Rofl. Unfortunately for your hero the – quote – ‘hag’ has Galloway bang to rights on a little thing called the law. Do you have a legal response? If, as I suspect, you do not then feel free to rant until your mouth turns blue.

    Proceed.

    Paul Canning

    April 12, 2015 at 1:57 am

  60. @ February Callendar

    “I shall vote Labour because I think it’s the best option for everyone in the United Kingdom in terms of *social justice*. Change the record, please.”

    Tell us how Labour MPs providing respectability for theocratic misogynists, antisemites and homophobes helps advance social justice for women, Jews and LGBT.

    Stop ignoring Labour’s hypocrisy in this. If Tories or Lib Dems did this you would hit the roof.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 10:48 am

  61. If your politics are on the right, then obviously you should not vote for parties of the left. That is quite enough. The identity stuff is irrelevant.

    Francis

    April 12, 2015 at 11:57 am

  62. “If your politics are on the right, then obviously you should not vote for parties of the left. That is quite enough. The identity stuff is irrelevant.”

    You appear to be implying that I am criticising the left for consorting with theocratic misogynists, antisemites and homophobes because I am myself a right winger. That’s a shameful and tired old smear of the Galloway variety. I supported Labour for decades before it lost the plot and went pro-Islamist. It’s precisely because I’m NOT a right winger that I object so strongly to the contemporary left cultivating people who, if they were white, you would be describing as fascists and Nazis, so reactionary and far right are their social views.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 4:52 pm

  63. When did Labour, as a party, go “pro-Islamist”?

    Francis

    April 12, 2015 at 5:05 pm

  64. “When did Labour, as a party, go “pro-Islamist”?”

    When Ken Livingstone, Labour Mayor of London, kept feting as a ‘moderate’ a man who expressed his wish that Hitler had killed more Jews, his belief that it’s okay for husbands to beat their wives, and his recommendation that homosexuals be executed; and when Livingstone campaigned for Respect rather than Labour – and wasn’t deselected by the party. It was confirmed when the Labour party membership voted Livingstone to its NEC. It has been confirmed by the support of MPs like Shadow Justice Minister Andy Slaughter and Jeremy Corbyn in support of antisemitic, homophobic Islamists – and the total silence of the rest of the Labour Party including the leadership. Do you deny that those individuals did that? where the fuck was the Labour leadership?

    At the recent MEND conference four more Labour MPs and MEPs spoke alongside such reactionary bigots – again, to zero protest from Labour leadership and membership. Labour members who seem to think it’s okay for THEIR representatives to form alliances with misogynistic, antisemitic and homophobic bigots. Instead of addressing that betrayal, not just of your own supposed values but also of certain portions of society, you accuse those who bring this up of being ‘right wing’. When are you going to sort your party out, Francis? It stinks.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 7:11 pm

  65. “When did Labour, as a party, go “pro-Islamist”?

    When it selected for London Mayor and then elected to its NEC the Jew-baiter and friend of antisemitic and homophobic Islamists, Ken Livingtstone, you dishonest prick. Any half decent party would have kicked the scumbag out.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 7:15 pm

  66. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7333420/Islamic-radicals-infiltrate-the-Labour-Party.html

    ” Jim Fitzpatrick, the Environment Minister, said the IFE had become, in effect, a secret party within Labour and other political parties.

    “They are acting almost as an entryist organisation, placing people within the political parties, recruiting members to those political parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can exercise political influence and power, whether it’s at local government level or national level,” he said.

    The IFE are one of the groups of Islamists represented at last weekend’s MEND conference, which elected Labour representatives were so keen to attend. No Tories or Lib Dems attended. Labour has a bit of weakness for socially reactionary theocratic scum. Fancy that.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 7:25 pm

  67. Several attempted replies to Francis have been lost in the ether. Perhaps they will turn up.

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/02/20/isnt-it-time-labour-stopped-facing-both-ways-on-islamist-extremism/

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 8:35 pm

  68. Nobody is denying that there are *some* people in the Labour Party who may take an indulgent attitude towards *some* political Islamists, for various reasons. Just as there are *some* in the Tory Party who fawn on Saudi princelings (usually for just one reason – money). It’s the attempt to tar the whole party – and indeed the entire “left” – with that brush that I am objecting to.
    For myself, the less that people’s “identities” (racial, religious, sexual or whatever) have to do with their politics, the better. And I would generally judge political figures and movements on a range of issues (good on this, bad on that) without expecting to find untarnished heroes or unvarnished villains. I’m probably just getting old.

    Francis

    April 12, 2015 at 8:50 pm

  69. If the Tories or Lib Dems chose as their candidate for Mayor of London someone who embraced and hailed as a ‘moderate’ a Christian preacher who advocated exterminating all Muslims, husbands beating their wives, and the execution black people… and if then the party went on to elect that mayoral candidate to the party’s national executive council, would you shrug that off in the same way?

    ” I’m probably just getting old.”

    Not just old.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 9:40 pm

  70. Probably. I’ve come to accept that most people in politics are dishonest, deranged or deluded, or usually some combination of the three. And all of them are selectively sensitive and selectively blind, as their own perceived interests dictate. Some annoy me more than others – I particularly dislike warmongers – but when it’s just a matter of people who have said something nice about other people who have said something bad, well, I really don’t give a damn. Because it’s almost impossible to find anyone clean. Instead, I look for movements which advance the things I care about – social and economic equality, peace, that sort of thing – and back them. With all due scepticism.

    Francis

    April 12, 2015 at 10:08 pm

  71. “Probably.”

    Bullshit.

    “when it’s just a matter of people who have said something nice about other people who have said something bad”

    Question-begging. It’s a matter of elected Labour representatives publicly praising and defending individuals who advocate the murder of a minority (in fact more than one minority). Stop trivialising and whitewashing it.

    Lamia

    April 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm

  72. Is there any political figure you can identify to whom you would give a clean bill of health? If so, please name him or her, and explain why you regard that figure as exemplary.

    Francis

    April 13, 2015 at 12:03 am

  73. Keep wanking over your images of Galloway, just as he does over Sadam, Assad and other “strong men”, neil

    Jim Denham

    April 13, 2015 at 12:09 am

  74. Francis, there are plenty of MPs of all the main parties who DON’T praise and whitewash as moderate individuals who advocate oppressing and murdering minorities. Unfortunately too many of those that DO are in the Labour Party and the leadership and membership seems unconcerned and never takes action against them. Why are you pretending that this is something that all MPs do and all parties do equally? They don’t.

    It’s actually not hard, even for mediocre MPs, to steer clear of bigoted extremists who want to take basic human rights (e.g. the right to live) away from groups of people. I don’t personally know anyone who believes gay people and apostates from Islam should be put to death. But perhaps it’s an occupational hazard in your ‘progressive’ circles and that’s why you treat it as a trivial and boring matter.

    Lamia

    April 13, 2015 at 12:32 am

  75. Associating with clerics with bigoted views is one of many sins committed by politicians. It’s not good, and as a hardcore atheist it’s not something I’d do myself if I could avoid it. But it’s certainly not the worst sin. Warmongering, hammering the poor and vulnerable, wrecking the environment for profit, destabilising countries for geopolitical advantage all seem to me to be much more important than failing to denounce some primitive superstition-monger shrilly enough. Once all those other political sins are factored in, the picture looks much less clear-cut.

    Francis

    April 13, 2015 at 8:00 am

  76. “than failing to denounce some primitive superstition-monger shrilly enough.”

    They are not denouncing such people AT ALL; as you know perfectly well. They are praising them as moderates. Stop being so disingenuous.

    As for your sneer ‘shrilly enough’, do tell us how strongly – if at all – you think a British politician should object to a religious/community leader advocating that various law-abiding minorities should be put to death. If you can stifle your yawns long enough to do so.

    Lamia

    April 13, 2015 at 7:11 pm

  77. Francis believes that the Islamist movement is progressive, that it advances social justice, peace, equality etc. How’s that working out then? The people of Egypt got so angry with the Muslim Brotherhood doing nothing for the country that they demonstrated in mass to remove the government. Whereever Islamist governments get into power they do nothing to address the fundamental problems within their societies; you will find that they are actually parties of Big Business and the merchants of the bazaar. Do they mobilize the people to discuss politics? Sure they mobilize the people to rampage and riot, but to actually build and discuss? I don’t think so. There’s nothing to discuss, it’s all written down in the holy books. As for ecology…the Middle East is on the edge of an ecological disaster, there’s a massive lake in Iran, I forget the name, but it is crucial to irrigation and food supplies, that has nearly run dry. There will be a shortage of drinking water even in the Middle East soon, why do you think everyone is jostling to get the best positio they can, even spreading into Europe? The chaos encouraged by the Islamist means that these problems cannot be addressed. Neither is there any culture of addressing them from what I have read. As for hammering the poor etc…do you think there isn’t dire povery in Muslim countries? Tell me about the political will to address it, then I’ll have some respect for the Middle East.

    Sue R

    April 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm

  78. Ye gods, there are some people here who are hard of thinking. “Francis believes that the Islamist movement is progressive, that it advances social justice, peace, equality etc.” Sorry, but that’s just absurd. Sue – if you can find any statement by me anywhere in favour of any Islamist movement, I’ll make a donation to whatever good cause you care to name. It shouldn’t be hard to check – I use my real name when I post comments. Do please get back to me if you find anything. Just to be perfectly clear: I want to see religion out of politics entirely, and there is not a single government in the Middle East for which I have the slightest enthusiasm. So please find another peg on which to hang your diatribe.

    That said, when I judge a politician, it is not solely and exclusively on the basis of whether he or she has said something stupid about some preacher or other. I am not a one-track obsessive. There are other issues which matter, and many of them matter much more. It is quite possible for a politician to be right about one thing and wrong about another. And as far as I am concerned, supporting aggressive invasions and occupations is a much more serious matter than failing to denounce some idiot with bronze-age attitudes towards homosexuality.

    Francis

    April 13, 2015 at 10:34 pm

  79. “if you can find any statement by me anywhere in favour of any Islamist movement…”

    You appear to have an instinct to attempt some PR damage limitation work for them. You keep understating:

    1. what those preachers are actually advocating.

    2. what some Labour and ‘progressive’ politicians have said about those preachers.

    Here for instance you continue to falsely frame it as “failing to denounce some idiot with bronze-age attitudes towards homosexuality”, where in fact it is not merely ‘failing to denounce’ it is actively praising and describing as a ‘moderate’, and nor is not merely holding ‘bronze age attitudes’ it is preachers who are advocating the MURDER of actual people here in the present. If it was you they were talking about, Francis, you would probably not be so blase about it.

    By all means argue about what you consider your own priorities, but don’t keep trying to reframe (1) and (2) as lesser than they are in themselves.

    Lamia

    April 13, 2015 at 11:31 pm

  80. And not content with whitewashing and praising Islamist bigots, in the case of creeps like Livingstone, Galloway, Corbyn, Owen Jones, the Guardian et al, the ‘progressive ‘left has made a habit of monstering the targets of Islamists as themselves being ‘the real bigots’.

    Thus Peter Tatchell and other LGBT people who have rightly denounced Islamist homophobes get denounced as ‘Islamophobes’ for doing so. such denunications come entirely from the left, not from the right or centre. The mainstream right may not care for LGBT people but they don’t smear us as bigots for objecting to Islamist homophobes. They don’t smear Jews for objecting to antisemites. They don’t denigrate women as ‘divisive’ ‘harpies’ for objecting to theocratic patriarchal bigots.

    No, it takes the ‘principled’ scumbags of the progressive left to that. And then that same left expects our ‘solidarity’ and votes.

    Lamia

    April 13, 2015 at 11:46 pm

  81. George Galloway’s comments on forced marriage are a dangerous abuse of power
    Huma Munshi

    The ramifications of Galloway’s rhetoric are extremely worrying. By using Shah’s experience in this way, he puts future victims at risk. Using his platform and position as an MP he denies Shah the right to speak about her experiences by calling them into question. Shah says she was forced and emotionally blackmailed into her marriage – we should believe her. I worry about the impact Galloway’s comments will have on other survivors when they seek support. They already face the barrier of having to overcome the “honour code” which is drilled into them from childhood. The most important thing is to believe us victims of forced marriage when we say our parents were the perpetrators. Start with the premise of believing the victim – this in itself would be a revolutionary act.

    As a British Asian Muslim woman it worries me hugely that someone like Galloway, in a position of power, can make these comments. Bradford has the largest proportion of Pakistanis in England (20.3%), which is almost a quarter of Bradford’s population; 24.7% are Muslim and they experience some of the highest rates of deprivation. Galloway’s anti-Iraq war stance and pro-Palestine views have gained him trust and support.

    But by playing politics with Shah’s history as a forced marriage survivor Galloway has revealed himself to be both unscrupulous and dangerous; I hope the voters of Bradford West reject him.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/13/george-galloway-forced-marriage-naz-shah

    Andrew Coates

    April 14, 2015 at 11:59 am


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