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Malaysian plane goes down in the Ukraine: Conspiracy Theorists run Wild.

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The BBC reports,

A Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 295 people has crashed in east Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

There are no signs of survivors at the scene of the crash near the village of Grabovo, in rebel-held territory close to the border with Russia.

Both sides in Ukraine’s civil conflict accused each other of shooting down the plane with a missile. It is still not clear why the plane came down

It was only an instant and the conspiracy theorists ran over the fresh graves of the victims of the crash.

“The US has spent over $5 Billion to destabilize the Ukraine, and that doesn’t even include money from classified budgets. The US/NATO has already been widely accused of Operation Gladio false flag terrorist attacks in the Ukraine.”

Conservative News.

Hat-Tip: Heggy.

Russia Today carried this story at one point,

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 298, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

“The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added.

Before it’s News raved,

Stephen: Like many of you, on first hearing today that a Malaysian Airlines Flight (MH17) with 295 people on board has been shot down over the eastern Ukraine, the first thought that comes to mind is false flag – that this must be another last ditch effort to retain power.This has also occurred just as Israel has sent tanks into Gaza. A tragic distraction perhaps? It’s all too convenient, no?

1) Malaysian Air involved AGAIN after their “lost plane” false flag event a few months back.

2) The markets were looking for an excuse to hit the collapse button

3) Gold and Silver have been rumored to be “allowed” to run up very soon.

4) European banks are in deep, deep trouble and need an excuse.

5) Ukrainian gov’t came out immediately after the news hit with a story that they know that the Russians shot the plane down.

6) Obama and the EU have just laid new sanctions on Russia and are looking for support from the world.

All of the above leans me towards the conclusion that this is just another false flag event in a long, long string of many that our controllers have pulled off.

Let me be clear…this is just my hunch and it usually takes a few weeks/months before all the “conspiracy facts” come out proving the motives and methods behind the occurrence.

We are living in dangerous times so look at everything with a skeptical eye.

May the Road you choose be the Right Road.

The there is this,

777 Shot Down Over Ukraine : Getting Past The Lies

By Gordon Duff with Jim W. Dean, Veterans Today – July 18, 2014 – http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/17/777-shot-down-over-ukraine/

Unconfirmed: Malaysian plane mistaken for Putin’s private jet which had flown over the area only moments before, leaving Israel and the Kiev junta as prime suspects. This may well have been an assassination attempt on Putin.

We have people on the scene now (1:45PM EST) who have found a bag of passports and medical equipment. We will keep you updated.

With the beginning of the Israeli ground attack on Gaza, might they well claim the plane was:

1: An “Egyptian horse barge,” shot down by mistake

2: Spying on Israeli troop movements

(ref: USS Liberty Israeli cover stories)

Not to mention this,

As to the plot or reason, simply blaming Israel is not supportable, no more than blaming Hamas for murdering the 3 children a few short weeks ago.

Thus, we assume these as high probability:

◾An aircraft was used, most likely an American built F15 because of range and capability.

◾Azerbaijan was used because we know of clandestine bases there, which were confirmed by military officers who defected to Iran in 2013.

◾We know Israel has some role, yet undefined, because they are spreading stories blaming Russia.

◾As this is a second Malaysian Airlines plane to go down, we look for false stories regarding Israel and Malaysian planes and reassess their meaning.

◾As is always the case, que bono, who benefits?

We ask readers to watch the world news and those in the region, report directly to our bureau there.

A French site, Le Nouvel Ordre Mondial,  suggests that  this may have been involved (and links it to the flight MH370 which  disappeared en route from Malaysia to China in March).

un message occulte qui était en fait un ordre secret donné à quelqu’un, afin de préparer un sacrifice rituel ou de créer une opération sous fausse bannière (false flag attack)?

A hidden message, which was in reality a secret order to somebody, to prepare a ritual sacrifice, or to create a false flag attack.

In the US there is this,

Rush Limbaugh couldn’t help himself on Thursday after news broke that a Malaysian Airlines jet had crashed in eastern Ukraine.

The radio show host called the disaster “an opportunity” for media outlets to distract viewers from the controversy surrounding President Obama and US border security. He suspected that CNN had already swept the immigration crisis under the rug andretreated back to its “wall-to-wall” coverage of the plane.

Limbaugh called the whole thing “very eery.”

“Talk about an opportunity to abandon the bad Obama news at the border,” he said. “I’m not suggesting anything other than how the media operates.

Huffington Post.

Update.

Socialist Unity star writer, John Wight, has also a unique take on the tragedy,

….the mind boggles that a civilian passenger aircraft should be flying anywhere near a war zone, especially one in which fighter jets, military aircraft, and military transport aircraft are playing such a key role in hostilities.

The alacrity with which Washington and its allies have sought to exploit this tragedy to attack Russia is as unedifying as it’s despicable. Whoever was responsible for downing the Malaysian passenger jet, it was clearly an accident. Moreover, the underlying causes of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, despite efforts to argue otherwise, is the toppling of the last legitimate democratically elected Ukrainian government of Viktor Yanukovich by an armed mob in Kiev in February, in which avowed fascists and neo-Nazis played a key role. Those fascists now occupy ministerial offices in the regime led by Petro Poroshenko and are prevalent in the violence that has been visited on the people in the east of the country, who have risen up in resistance to Kiev and its sponsors in the West.

To mild criticism Wight responds,

I’m not surprised this is your response. I just have to think back to your support for the ‘revolution’ in Libya and the ‘revolutionaries’ in Syria to be reminded of the left cover you continually provide for your own government and its foreign policy.

I still chuckle when I recall you stating during the Maidan riots that you would be on the side of the Right Sector thugs in attacking the police, doing your best of course to ensure you were throwing your rocks from a separate pile than theirs.

Trotsky, I’m sure, would be proud of the political movement he has spawned.

 

 

Written by Andrew Coates

July 18, 2014 at 11:18 am

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  1. Damn these conspiracy theorists. Damn them all.

    The Spanish Prisoner

    July 18, 2014 at 11:24 am

  2. One of the most striking, and distasteful, things is that these ravings seem the product of people spending a great deal of time and effort to fabricate them.

    Andrew Coates

    July 18, 2014 at 11:28 am

  3. Anyone who says “the first thought that comes to mind is false flag” needs serious help.

    Perhaps he thinks its the Palestinians invading Gaza?

    tamworthalternative

    July 18, 2014 at 11:34 am

  4. Andrew Coates

    July 18, 2014 at 11:43 am

  5. As the investigationis yet to get under way then all opinions are conspiracy thoeries, or guesses. But in war truth is a casualty so both sides will look to blame each other.

    I notice in your above examples that you don’t include the conspiracy that Russia shot down the plane or that the rebels did.

    My own pet theory is that the rebels shot down the plane, but they have been subjected to aerial bombardment by the fascist backed junta in Kiev (unreported by the west and it’s drone supporting lackeys incidentally ). Therefore this would appear to be a tragic case of the rebels hitting the wrong target. Because they are under constant aerial bombardment they have every right to defend themselves with any means possible.

    Kiev takes full responsibility for this tragedy.

    I doubt Israel had anything to do with this as they are busy massacring the Palestinians tey again, so it doesn’t really matter if they had anything to do with this or not, they are already well beyond the pale.

    Socialism In One Bedroom

    July 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm

  6. “Kiev takes full responsibility for this tragedy.” Why on earth would Kiev want to do that? If it was the Donetsk forces who shot the plane down – which looks highly probable – they have just handed Kiev a priceless propaganda victory and have most likely signed their own death warrants.

    Francis

    July 18, 2014 at 9:05 pm

  7. From what I read it appears that the rebels had issued a ‘no fly zone’ instruction and felt themselves in the right to blast any transgressors out of the sky. Aparently, the ‘plane had deviated slightly from its normal course due to a thunderstorm. Sadly, some of the foremost AIDS researchers in the world were on the ‘plane en route to a conference in Australia. That’s the trouble with irregular, asymmetrical warfare, the combatants are only semi-trained without the full gamut of instruments and lack discipline.

    Sue R

    July 18, 2014 at 9:24 pm

  8. Socialist Unity, as predicted here, is now descending into a conspiracy nut-job forum,.

    Somebody calling itself “sussexlabourleft” has posted a piece by a “Tim Earl of Stirling”, which contains this gem,

    “The US/Zionist/Globalist supported/funded coup against the elected Ukraine government and the resulting conflict was a calculated effort to draw Russia into a war over the Ukraine and thereby tie it down in order to allow Netanyahu free hand to create his long-sought General Middle East War. Putin has proven to be a brilliant strategist and not easy to trap. Hence, I believe that the decision was made to “take him out” of the picture by destroying his state aircraft as it flew over Russia but near the Ukraine on his return from South America.”

    Andrew Coates

    July 19, 2014 at 11:06 am

  9. Francis,

    Seriously, can you read or what?

    Kiev and its backers and leftist apologists will make all the capital they can out of this tragedy, which is what I think it is. The rebels have faced shelling and aerial bombardment for months, since the fascist backed Junta took power. They have every right to fight back by all means at their disposal. They also have every right to reject the Junta that has been imposed upon them and against their democratic will.

    The Junta decided to take military action against those who would not accept its authority, they bear ALL responsibility for the downing of this plane.

    The entire British press is personally blaminmg Putin for this tragedy, this is not just conspiracy theory but total blanket propaganda. Yet again the press attempt to remove any idea of thinking from the debate, yet again they dictate what people are to think.

    BVut it is really simple, Kiev bear the responsibility, no matter what the investigation concludes.

    Socialism In One Bedroom

    July 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm

  10. SIOB – not only can I read, but I also know the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory – something you might investigate further. As for “responsibility”, if by that you mean “should take the blame”, then I’d be inclined to spread it among all the main groups involved here: when you unpick the sequence of events from before the current crisis broke out, nobody emerges with much credit.

    But overall, I’m not too concerned with finger-pointing. moralising or blame-attribution. I’m far more interested in how this whole squalid conflict, in which there are only losers among the ordinary people of Ukraine, can be brought to a just and sustainable end. The blame game is all about keeping it going.

    Francis

    July 19, 2014 at 2:56 pm

  11. I tend to agree with Francis that if you unpick this all the way back to the beginning of history (or even 20 years ago) then things get complicated, but the fact is that the ‘ordinary’ people in the East have no democratic rights in Ukraine, their vote means nothing to those in Kiev. Whatever the history, why should these ‘ordinary’ people be expected to live in a nation where their vote means nothing? We should support their struggle to split from Kiev, it is a noble one, ‘ordinary’ people standing up in extraordinary circumstances.

    I think the only conspiracy theory that is applicable there is that whoever did shoot this down did it deliberately, i.e. it wasn’t an accident. Incidentally I read the John Wight article expecting to see some loony conspiracy and guess what, not a trace of it, he even makes the point that it is highly likely that the shooting down of this plane was a case of mistaken identity! So Coates has decided to mark this tragedy with some cherry picked quotes that make other leftists look bad, i.e. he has used this tragedy to make political capital. And he has the front to speak of Trotsky’s legacy! Look in the mirror.

    So I think Mr Coates needs to know the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory, and seen as Francis didn’t criticise Coates for this I can only assume he doesn’t know the difference either.

    Incidentally Francis, re this:

    “they have just handed Kiev a priceless propaganda victory and have most likely signed their own death warrants.”

    Why do you assume they have signed their death warrants? If we look at similar events to this in the past, e.g. Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by the USA, then death was far from being the punishment. In fact the perpetrators of this tragedy were awarded medals!

    see here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Aftermath

    Socialism In One Bedroom

    July 20, 2014 at 10:49 am

  12. SIOB – if I picked up Andrew, or you, or the writers on Socialist Unity, on every silly thing they ever wrote on a blog I’d never do anything else. I have to be selective. You assume too much – silence does not necessarily signify assent.

    But you pick up on something I have written which may well also turn out to be silly: “Why do you assume they have signed their death warrants?” Good question. The US/Iran Air case is quite irrelevant here (being the US means never having to say sorry), but my reasoning was roughly as follows: 1. Donetsk/Lugansk is not strong enough to secure its independence against Ukraine’s military power. It could only “win” if it could persuade Moscow to annex the region outright. Its leaders have asked for that more than once. 2. Moscow has no interest in annexing that region. It would be enormously costly both politically and financially to do so, for no strategic or economic benefit. 3. If this is the case, then the war will either end with a victory for the Kiev forces, or through some peace deal involving Russian guarantees, some local autonomy and suchlike. 4. Hardliners in Kiev are presenting the conflict as an “anti-terrorist” operation, with the subtext that “terrorism” is something to be “defeated” rather than compromised with. Their aim is military reconquest. 5. Shooting down the airliner strengthens the “terrorism” narrative considerably. It will probably secure more Western support for Kiev’s military operation, and make it harder to reach a settlement involving any kind of compromise. And in the event of a reconquest by the Kiev forces, there will be a manhunt for anyone involved in the resistance.

    These gloomy predictions may of course turn out to be wrong – quite possibly they are not gloomy enough…

    Francis

    July 21, 2014 at 10:28 pm

  13. Vega

    July 21, 2014 at 10:59 pm


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