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Tariq Ramadan suggests Brussels may be lying about Jewish Museum Shooting

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Tariq Ramadan transforme les victimes israéliennes au Musée juif en instrument d’un complot

“Both tourists targeted in Brussels were working for the Israeli secret service according to Le Soir

BERNARD SCHALSCHA

Brussels May Be Lying About Museum Shootings, Professor Claims

Tariq Ramadan Claims Victims Were Israeli Secret Agents

Tariq Ramadan is Professor of Contemporary Islamic Studies at the University of Oxford. He  was part of the meeting of Foreign Office group on Freedom of Religion or Belief in March this year to discuss vision and strategy chaired by Baroness Warsi.

For a serious account see of the killings Le Soir 

Gilles Kepel: «Le profil de Medhi Nemmouche ressemble à celui de Merah»

He compares the acused to Merah  who during his killing spree in 2012 killed 3  Jewish Children in Toulouse.

Entretien avec Gilles Kepel, spécialiste de l’islam.

Strangely enough the so-called plot does not get mentioned.

But we notice that after the Toulouse shooting this ‘professor’ and ‘adviser on freedom of religion’ became embroiled in another controversy: see  White-Washing Anti-Semitism after the Toulouse Attacks.

This is his latest claim: on Facebook.

“ASSASSINATS DE BRUXELLES

Les deux touristes visés à Bruxelles travaillaient pour les services secrets israéliens selon Le Soir et d’autres sources qui se recoupent. Le gouvernement ne commente pas. Par hasard. S’agit-il d’antisémitisme ou de manoeuvre de diversion quant aux vrais motifs et aux exécutants? On condamne les assassinats d’innocents et tous les racismes, sans exception, mais il faut aussi cesser de nous prendre pour des imbéciles.

Comments on the site include: 

” Ils ont même pris le pouvoir en France. Je cite Manuel Valls : “Les juifs de France sont plus que jamais à l’avant garde de la République”… Ca veut tout dire quand à leurs intentions.”

” Car ils sont riche et ils savent s’imposer et surtout ils ont des objectifs et un esprit d’appartenance.”

Here are some of the commentaries captured from Ramandan’s Facebook Page which seem to have ‘disappeared’  taken from here.

Capture-Ramadan-2

Written by Andrew Coates

June 2, 2014 at 12:05 pm

16 Responses

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  1. Nowhere near as bad as Ramadan’s comments, but what Mehdi Hasan has to say in this week’s New Statesman, about anti-Semitic attacks, is rather dodgy:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2014/05/how-do-i-tell-my-daughter-people-across-europe-fear-minorities-us

    Jim Denham

    June 2, 2014 at 9:35 pm

  2. I wouldn’t want to distract you from your daily routine of policing the behaviour of the innumerable brown skinned miscreants that populate your nightmares, but I can’t find this passage anywhere in Ramadan’s Facebook comments on the shooting under “ASSASSINATS DE BRUXELLES” : ““ Ils ont même pris le pouvoir en France. Je cite Manuel Valls : “Les juifs de France sont plus que jamais à l’avant garde de la République”… Ca veut tout dire quand à leurs intentions.” “ Car ils sont riche et ils savent s’imposer et surtout ils ont des objectifs et un esprit d’appartenance.” Could you point me to it?

    puss wallgreen

    June 3, 2014 at 7:51 am

  3. No the comment has disappeared but if you think I could make sentences like that, written in idiomatic French, then you are seriously deluded

    I imagine that is why the French site cited above took the precaution of publishing an image of some of the other comments, such as “‘c’est juifs de merde”, which have also disappeared.

    It does not take much imagination to see why such remarks should be removed.

    I was impressed by the article that heads this post by BERNARD SCHALSCHA.

    It begins, “L’expression ouverte de l’antisémitisme étant réprimée par la loi, l’extrême droite utilise depuis longtemps la méthode du sous-entendu, de l’allusion cousue de fil blanc, du “suivez-mon regard”. Jean-Marie LePen s’en était fait une spécialité. Tariq Ramadan, qui n’est rien d’autre que le versant grenouille de bénitier islamiste de nos bon vieux fachos franco-français, utilise la même combine. Preuve en est l’ignoble petit texte qu’il a posté le 27 mai sur sa page Facebook pour commenter la tuerie de Bruxelles, et que voici :

    But then your cauchmars about laïques must weigh so heavily on your brain that you can’t see how these people are allies of the extreme right.

    Andrew Coates

    June 3, 2014 at 10:21 am

  4. See also, “Mohamed Merah était une victime (du moins, selon Tariq Ramadan)” http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/bock-cote/politique/mohamed-mera-etait-une-victime-du-moins-selon-tariq-ramadan/

    This is what he said,

    “Jeune, désorienté, il a tiré sur des repères qui avaient surtout la force et le sens de leur visibilité. Ni plus ni moins. Un pauvre garçon, coupable et à condamner, sans l’ombre d’un doute, même s’il fut lui-même la victime d’un ordre social qui l’avait déjà condamné, lui et des millions d’autres, à la marginalité, à la non reconnaissance de son statut de citoyen à égalité de droit et de chance».

    Si on lit bien entre les lignes, on peut comprendre la chose suivante: la France est tout autant à blâmer pour les tueries de Toulouse que le tueur lui-même.

    Andrew Coates

    June 3, 2014 at 10:31 am

  5. “No the comment has disappeared but if you think I could make sentences like that, written in idiomatic French, then you are seriously deluded”
    I don’t even rate your ability to express yourself coherently in idiomatic English, so I don’t think you wrote the sentences. However, since it would appear to have no thematic continuity with what he has written above this interpolation (who would be the “ils” referred to, for example? Why the sudden shift to talking about France? Who is the quote “car ils sont riches” from? Why are there quotation marks there at all if Ramadan is simply continuing his commentary? ) I suggest you should either provide evidence that Ramadan wrote them or remove them from your screed.
    “It does not take much imagination to see why such remarks should be removed”
    Yes, some people take the trouble to remove racist comments which are made on their blogs. You and Denham seem to welcome them, on the other hand.

    puss wallgreen

    June 3, 2014 at 10:39 am

  6. I don’t rate your race-baiting either.

    Racist remarks are removed from this site, there is a filter with a list of words that blocks them

    I note your failure to address BERNARD SCHALSCHA’s arguments – who analyses Ramandan in depth

    Funny that.

    Some might suspect that you are also a “versant grenouille de bénitier islamiste de nos bon vieux fachos franco-français.”

    Or, which is the same thing, that you are Bob Pitt.

    Andrew Coates

    June 3, 2014 at 2:13 pm

  7. On May 27th, before Muslim terrorist Mehdi Nemmouche was arrested for the Brussels attack, Swiss Tariq Ramadan wrote on his Facebook as follows:

    “The two tourists targeted in Brussels worked for the Israeli Secret Service according to Le Soir and other sources …. The government is not commenting. By chance. Is it anti-Semitism or a red herring to hide the true motives and attackers? I condemn the killing of innocents and all forms of racism without exception, but they must also stop taking us for fools.”

    It is true that the French media (as well as anti-Semitic sites) played around with the possibility that the two Israeli tourists were targeted for a ‘good’ reason. It was a targeted killing, not a run-of-the-mill terrorist attack against Jews.

    The man who says he “condemns the killing of innocents and all forms of racism” bothered to strongly imply that this this attack did not kill innocents and had nothing to do with racism.

    Since then, Ramadan has nothing further to say on the topic. It’s easy to tell your followers an antisemitic attack might be a Mossad-related killing. More than 10,000 people ‘liked’ his conspiracy theory. It’s harder to face the fact that a Muslim was responsible. For Ramadan, it’s too hard.

    http://antisemitism-europe.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/switzerland-tariq-ramadan-suggests.html

    Andrew Coates

    June 3, 2014 at 2:49 pm

  8. Ah,I see you have now withdrawn the claim that Ramadan had written the passage I questioned, which now appears under “comments on the site include”. My work here is done.

    puss wallgreen

    June 3, 2014 at 3:18 pm

  9. Wallgreen: I’ve just noticed your claim that I “welcome” racist comments (presumably, at Shiraz Socialist). I most certainly do not, though very occasionally one may slip through the net. As for “welcoming” any such comments: give me one example, you liar!

    Jim Denham

    June 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm

  10. Well for one you have a regular commenter who goes under the name of “Jimmy Glesga” and who specialises in vile anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic commentary, including calling for the expulsion of all Muslims from Britain after the killing of Lee Rigby. You said that you had considered banning him but finally didn’t think he had “crossed any line”. That gives us a picture of where your lines are drawn, I suppose. That’s apart from the intrinsic racism of a blog which reprints paeans to West Bank settlement enterprises and statements by the Israeli ambassador but never has any room whatsoever for Palestinian voices.

    puss wallgreen

    June 3, 2014 at 7:41 pm

  11. So you are Bob Pitt.

    How is your mate Bob Lambert doing these days?

    “An academic and prominent supporter of progressive causes has been unmasked as a former spy who controlled a network of undercover police officers in political groups.

    During his current career as an academic expert on Islamophobia, Bob Lambert has regularly spoken at political rallies to promote campaigns against racism and fascism.

    However, in his previous career as a special branch officer, which lasted 26 years, he ran operations at a covert unit that placed police spies into political campaigns, including those run by anti-racism groups. The unit also disrupted the activities of these groups.”

    Andrew Coates

    June 4, 2014 at 12:08 pm

  12. Ah! The puss is, in fact, a Pitt. Should have guessed: friend of clerical fascists everywhere. I have no intention of entering into an exchange with the likes of puss/Pitt, but (just for the record) Shiraz has frequently deleted Glesgas comments, and did, finally, ban him. It’s not something we do lightly.

    But puss/Pitt claims we “welcome” such comments: evidence, please – liar!

    Jim Denham

    June 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm

  13. Your talent for fact-free speculation is undoubted, and I appreciate your embarrassment at being caught in the act of falsifying quotations, but I am not Bob Pitt and have never heard of Bob Lambert.

    puss wallgreen

    June 5, 2014 at 10:28 am

  14. Then who are you? Or are you the kind of commentator who takes no responsibility for what she/he says?

    Andrew Coates

    June 5, 2014 at 11:59 am

  15. Glad to hear that you attract racist comments but delete them, Jimbo. It’s just that doing precisely this is one of the charges laid against Ramadan by cde Coatesy. And Coatesy, I take full responsibility for anything I say. I just don’t take any responsibility for anything Bob Pitt says, since I wouldn’t know him from a can of paint.

    puss wallgreen

    June 5, 2014 at 1:17 pm

  16. My Muslim friends here in the Philippines are very excited for Ramadan 2014. I respect how much they cherish this occasion and also enjoy it, especially their Muslim delicacies.😀 Happy Ramadan to everyone, dear friends and may your purpose be done. Cheers!!
    Ramadan Greetings

    Doughty War

    June 27, 2014 at 1:43 pm


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