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Far-Right Jobbik Election Gains – Leader has called Islam “Last Hope of Humanity”.

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“Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.”

The Guardian Reports,

Hungarians handed prime minister Viktor Orbán another four years in power in Sunday’s parliamentary election, while about one in every five voters backed Jobbik, the far-right opposition party accused of antisemitism.

Orbán has clashed repeatedly with the EU and foreign investors over his maverick policies, but many Hungarians regard the 50-year-old former dissident against communist rule as a champion of national interests. Under his government, personal income tax and household power bills have fallen.

After 71% of the ballots were counted, election officials projected Orbán’s Fidesz party would win 135 of the 199 seats in parliament – passing the two-thirds threshold needed for his party to unilaterally change the constitution.

In the past four years, Orbán’s policies have included a nationalisation of private pension funds, swingeing “crisis taxes” on big business and a relief scheme for mortgage holders for which the banks, mostly foreign-owned, had to pay.

The socialist-led leftist alliance was projected to win 39 seats, with 25 going to Jobbik, whose share of the national vote on party lists rose from 15.9% four years ago to 21.25%.

 

This aspect of Jobbik’s ideology does not seem to get much publicity in the anglophone media.

 

The leader of Hungary’s Jobbik movement has said that “Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.”

During the recent Hungarian parliamentary elections, the Jobbik movement earned 16.67% of the overall vote, securing 47 seats in the National Assembly. Subsequently, the President of Jobbika made a trip to Turkeywhere he visited various universities.

“We’re not coming to Turkey to build diplomatic and economic relations, but to meet our Turkish brothers and sisters,” Gábor Vona, Jobbika’s president said.

He also claimed that “the West does not tolerate seeing my party support Turkey and other Turanian peoples, such as Azerbaijanis, in international conflicts.”

Gábor Vona also affirmed that his party had no relationship with the Islamophobic, far-right European parties, as some commentators have claimed. Jobbik’s president also stated that Turkish society, grounded in love of the family, respect for tradition and a strong sense of patriotism, was a great example for Hungary.

According to Gábor Vona, the relationship between Hungary and Turkey is based on fraternity and not just friendship. The Jobbik party’s leader also emphasised, on many occasions, that “Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.”

Also on the universal significance of Islam, Gábor Vona has stated on the official website of his party:

Africa has no power; Australia and South-America suffer from a perplexed identity due to their much-congested societies. Considering all this, there’s only one culture left which seeks to preserve its traditions: it is the Islamic world.”

Furthermore, Vona said that his personal life was influenced by Islam and Muslims that he has met as friends and colleagues throughout his life. More surprisingly, one of the witnesses at his wedding was a Palestinian, something that infuriated his opponents.

From Five Pillars. February 17th 2014.

In more detail Le Monde Diplomatique carries this article, “Une extrême droite qui n’exècre pas l’islam (A far-Right that does not loath Islam)  by  Corentin Léotard.

It reveals the reasons behind this convergence of European extreme right and Islamist extreme right.

It’s not hard to guess what the motivation is.

Jobbick is against the “Hebrew State”.

In Parliament, its representative,  its representative, Gábor Vona,  wears a Palestinian  keffiyeh and has denounced the “génocide de Gaza.

Another source is Jobbik’s “turanism”: The right-wing Jobbik party and its president Gábor Vona are uncompromising supporters of Turanism and Pan-Turkism (The ideology of Jobbik considers Hungarians as a Turkic nation.).

The leader of the Hungarian fascist Arrow Cross PartyFerenc Szálasi, believed in the existence of a “Turanian-Hungarian” race (which included Jesus Christ). The idea was a key part of his ideology of “Hungarism”.[59]

In Hungary some fascists (and non-fascists) tried to link the ancestors of the Hungarians to Timur, the Ottomans and Japan, which some Hungarians of the 1930s described as the ‘other sword of Turan’ (the first sword being Hungary).

While some Hungarian Turanists went as far as to argue they were racially healthier than and superior to other Europeans (including Germans, who were already corrupted by Judaism), others felt more modestly, that as Turanians living in Europe, they might provide an important bridge between East and West and thus play a role in world politics out of proportion of their numbers or the size of their country. This geopolitical argument was taken to absurd extremes by Ferenc Szálasi, head of the Arrow Cross-Hungarist movement, who believed that, owing to their unique historical and geographical position, Hungarians might play a role equal to, or even more important than, Germany in building the new European order, while Szálasi’s own charisma might eventually help him supersede Hitler as leader of the international movement.

Wikipedia.

Written by Andrew Coates

April 7, 2014 at 10:47 am

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  1. Reblogged this on oogenhand.

    oogenhand

    April 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm

  2. Makes Farage look sane.

    Igor Belanov

    April 7, 2014 at 7:13 pm

  3. Do the majority of Hungarians think the same? I know they were under the Ottoman heel, but once freed they chose Christianity. (Are they Orthodox or Catholic?). Anyway, I think history will judge on the fitness of Islam as a system of governing and it seems to be heading straight for the dustbin at the moment.

    Sue R

    April 7, 2014 at 10:02 pm

  4. There was a long history of the Hungarians fighting to free themselves from Ottoman control. The “Turks”, in popular discourse, are still seen as historical agents for destruction. So it is surprising that the bone-heads of Jobbik persist with this rhetoric.
    Sue, the major denominations are Catholic and Lutheran with a sprinkling of Serb Orthodox. The Lutherans were most strongly identified with the anti-Ottoman struggle.

    badger

    April 8, 2014 at 10:14 am

  5. As you say Badger, it’s odd given this history.

    But the evidence is there.

    I re-read the Le Monde Diplomatique article last night and it seems Hungary has, post-Communism, a long-standing economic link with Turkophone countries (which extend into central Asia), and Iran.

    There is therefore an economic interest as well.

    Andrew Coates

    April 8, 2014 at 10:22 am

  6. Interesting, isn’t it, that whenever some far-right outfit expresses sympathy with Israel and/or Zionism, sections of the “anti-Zionist” “left” seize on it as “proof” of how Zionism is really a far-right ideology, but when a far-right outfit expresses sympathy with Islamism … silence ?

    Jim Denham

    April 8, 2014 at 12:01 pm

  7. yes Jim, I noticed only because I read the French language journal Le Monde Diplomqtiaue, which is less tender towards Islamism than the British left.

    Andrew Coates

    April 8, 2014 at 12:12 pm

  8. Those of you who can read German may find this article on “the Budapest-Tehran axis” interesting, from last October: http://jungle-world.com/artikel/2013/40/48543.html

    Indeed, the entire issue was about Hungary – http://jungle-world.com/artikel/2013/40/ – and it made very interesting, astounding, shocking and very depressing reading. Some of it was also vaguely amusing, and not just in the sense of black comedy.

    dagmar

    April 8, 2014 at 10:09 pm

  9. “Interesting, isn’t it, that whenever some far-right outfit expresses sympathy with Israel and/or Zionism, sections of the “anti-Zionist” “left” seize on it as “proof” of how Zionism is really a far-right ideology, but when a far-right outfit expresses sympathy with Islamism … silence ?”
    And it’s presumably interesting that when the reverse takes place there is silence from you and your warren, unless you can point to any instances of “we at Shiraz” (ie you dumbo, there isn’t anybody else apart from that mad cycling woman) highlighting any of the innumerable cases of European and American far rightists expressing sympathy for Israel and Zionism.

    puss wallgreen

    April 8, 2014 at 11:16 pm

  10. “there is silence from you and your warren” … I do not think so, puss: we’ve certainly published commemts at ‘Shiraz’, making that point.

    But what point are you making? Apart from making a sexist jibe about Rosie?

    Jim Denham

    April 9, 2014 at 12:37 am

  11. “But what point are you making?”
    That guilt by association is a rotten method, and that nobody uses it more than Decents. That the European far right is a many-hued phenomenon, and pointing to some far right group that supports Palestinian rights in order to discredit the latter is as futile as pointing to some far right group that supports Israel in order to discredit the latter (although I would be astounded if you could actually point to any comments on Shiraz in relation to far right support for Israel).

    puss wallgreen

    April 9, 2014 at 11:01 am

  12. Dagmar, the article shows that the »Turanismus«, apart, there are solid links between the ‘Islamic’ world and Hungary, from economics to culture with a Parliamentary group devoted to Iranian-Hungarian relatioons. I liked the reference to a Day of Hungarian-Arab friendship (»Tag der ungarisch-arabischen Freundschaft« !

    Andrew Coates

    April 9, 2014 at 12:18 pm

  13. You don’t need to tell me what the article says, I read it when it was published! (“The day of… ” amused me as well, though!) Hungarian politics seems very dangerous indeed, and maybe not just for those in Hungary and the countries which share borders with it…

    dagmar

    April 9, 2014 at 8:43 pm

  14. Maybe I am missing something here and German humor has never been my strong point, but I fail to see what is so intrinsically amusing about a day of Hungarian-Arab friendship? Is it friendship with Arabs that you find so risible in itself, or a specific Hungarian friendship with Arabs that provokes such hilarity?

    puss wallgreen

    April 9, 2014 at 10:34 pm

  15. It is a obvious throwback to the many days of Country X – Country Y (X being an Eastern Bloc satellite state, Y usually being the Soviet Union) ‘friendship’ days, initiated from above by subsurvient governments and their state-run and controlled ‘country X-Soviet Friendship Associations’, funded by compulsory “voluntary” contributions from their populations.

    So much for “friendship”, is the other point related to this. That’s won’t have gone unnoticed in Hungary, and the initiators presumably didn’t intend it to go unnoticed either.

    dagmar

    April 10, 2014 at 12:19 pm

  16. So it’s state-sponsored friendship as such that you find amusing, rather than state-sponsored friendship with Arabs specifically? You are doubtless equally creased up by Hungarian-Polish Friendship Day (March 23, incidentally)?

    puss wallgreen

    April 10, 2014 at 4:17 pm

  17. Puss, are you defending the Hungarian right-wing government of Viktor Orban, or Jobbik, or trying to draw attention from the fact that they both seem to entertain good relations with the ‘Islamic’ world?

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm

  18. I’m puzzled by the fact that you seem to believe that having good relations with the Islamic world or promoting friendship with Arabs is intrinsically improper or “amusing”.

    puss wallgreen

    April 10, 2014 at 5:03 pm

  19. I am puzzled you think so highly of Orban and Jobbik.

    Andrew Coates

    April 10, 2014 at 5:04 pm

  20. I haven’t made any comment on Orban and Jobbik, but for what it’s worth I don’t think highly of them. I would think highly of good relations with the Islamic world and friendship with Arabs though, and obviously that is where we differ.

    puss wallgreen

    April 10, 2014 at 5:15 pm

  21. Hmmm, which particular section of the chronically divided Islamic or Arabic worlds would you like to strike up a good relationship with?

    Igor Belanov

    April 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm

  22. From the point of view of Hungarian interests, all of it I should think. Which sections do you think Hungary should have bad relations with, and why?

    puss wallgreen

    April 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm

  23. I’d like to think that most Hungarians would want to avoid having close friendships with Jihadists, or the Saudi Monarchy. The reasons should be obvious.

    Igor Belanov

    April 11, 2014 at 8:53 am

  24. I am not aware of any states governed by jihadists, and Hungary has normal relations with Saudi Arabia, as you might expect. We are after all talking about a state here, with definite political and economic interests which have to be pursued in the real world, rather than a student union society, though I suspect your world view is moulded much more by the latter experience. The trigger for Coates’ and Dagmar’s amusement and ire were, however, not a day of solidarity with the Saudi monarchy or a parliamentary group devoted to improving relations with jihadis, but a day of Hungarian-Arab friendship and a parliamentary group devoted to improving Hungarian-Iranian relations. I can see nothing wrong with either.

    puss wallgreen

    April 11, 2014 at 9:14 am

  25. It was you who mentioned ‘the Islamic world’ and ‘Arabs’, neither which are states, at least not the last time I looked.
    Would you be equally supportive of days supporting Hungarian friendship with Israel, or the US, or Germany?

    Igor Belanov

    April 11, 2014 at 12:16 pm

  26. “It was you who mentioned ‘the Islamic world’ and ‘Arabs’, neither which are states, at least not the last time I looked”.
    No, it was Coates who said “there are solid links between the ‘Islamic’ world and Hungary” and that he “liked” (as in not) “the reference to a Day of Hungarian-Arab friendship”.
    “Would you be equally supportive of days supporting Hungarian friendship with Israel, or the US, or Germany?”
    Yes, I would have no problem with any of those projects. and they all sound laudable, if they don’t already exist. So why is there such a problem with equivalents relating to Arabs and Iranians? i certainly prefer the prospect of friendship with the Islamic world to a a non stop war against it as advocated by the “secular, feminist, heroine” who is so admired in these parts.

    puss wallgreen

    April 11, 2014 at 7:20 pm

  27. FIRST:
    Read about the pseudo-history of Hungarian turanism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism
    There aren’t scholars who support (academics, university professor linguists or historians) it on this planet, who believe in the ethnic or linguistic relations/connections of Hungarian people and Turkic people.
    Hungarian people and language are not related with turkic people and language:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_people
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language

    2.
    Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but many Northern Germanic nations have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

    And see the ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.

    Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.

    Skin tone map:

    Hair color map

    Eye color map:

    3.

    Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.

    What is Western Civilization?
    The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
    After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
    It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
    It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
    The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.

    MEMENTO:
    Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:
    1.Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history),
    2. Knights, the knight-culture and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,
    3.The self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which is the direct ancestor of modern self/local governmental systems.
    4. The appearance of stone / brick castle defense system and fortified cities. (In Orthodox world only Byzantine empire had such an extensive system in Greek territories)
    5. The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie,
    6.The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
    7.Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
    8.The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
    9.The medieval western theater: Mystery or cycle plays and morality passion plays,
    10.The architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: Romanesque Gothic and Renaissance styles.
    The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
    Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.

    4. About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.

    Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe, until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent. In the Eurasian
    supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
    However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as “asian languages” is laughable illogical, unscientific and
    misleading.

    TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:”Proto Indo Europeans”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

    and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven’t signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The
    Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western
    European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Language-shift)Real genetic IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific
    economic development in European continent.

    5. Hungary is not Eastern European country.

    Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.

    See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

    HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
    http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary

    See Modern Britannica:

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary

    Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.

    German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
    http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf

    Columbia Encyclopedia
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx

    French Larousse Encyclopedia
    http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520

    Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html

    Encarta Encyclopedia
    http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

    Ádám Jánossy

    April 11, 2014 at 7:39 pm

  28. Thanks Ádám.

    There are lots of mad revived ethnic theories around at the moment – perhaps more so than at any time since the hey-day of the Nazis.

    Here is a recent one about the Celts,

    The Ancient Paths by Graham Robb. 2013.

    “Robb’s real argument is not that the pre-Roman inhabitants of Celtic Europe were skilled engineers, but that they were skilled surveyors and astronomers, laying out a great network of roads, town centres and sacred places, still discoverable on the map. His starting point is the Via Heraklea, or Way of Hercules, which runs from the south-west tip of Europe, the “Sacred Promontory” (Sagres) in Portugal, and continues straight as an arrow through the mountain pass of the Pyrenees in Andorra and on to the Alpine pass of Montgenèvre, the path Hannibal took with his war-elephants. The line (NE to SW) exactly follows the bearing of the rising sun at summer solstice.”

    “In particular, what they laid out was a gridwork of astronomically derived lines, the “ancient paths” of Robb’s title. These include solstice lines, oriented both on summer solstice and winter solstice sunrise. Another north-south/ east-west grid centred on Mediolanum Biturigum, now Châteaumeillant, but formerly the capital of the Bituriges, who, according to Livy, had the privilege of providing the Celts with their king. A village now, but once the omphalos or navel of Gaul, its old importance was confirmed by another vegetable-patch discovery: a retired postman digging a plot for endives felt the earth give way beneath him to reveal a giant cache of 350 amphorae.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/11/ancient-paths-graham-robb-review

    Andrew Coates

    April 12, 2014 at 10:15 am

  29. I don’t see what is wrong with the above description of Celtic roadbuilding. It’s not like the fellow is claiming that ancient astronauts came down and did it. They had hundreds of thousands of years to observe where the sun rose and set so it is no surprise that they would mark it, as it held the promise of the renewnal of the year. I understood something about Stonehenge recently. Everyone knows that the heel stone marks the point where the Midsummer sun rises, but did you know that Durrington Wells (a few miles away, and a wooden henge) marked where the Midwinter sun set. The two monuments represent the entire annual journey of the sun across the heavens. These astronomical phenomena are still important in our world, Islam is dependent on the moon, so is Judaism, and even Crhistianity has feasts regulated by the Moon (Easter). I don’t know about Hinduism, but I know they are keen on astrological prediction.

    Sue R

    April 12, 2014 at 7:55 pm

  30. He claims that the ancient Celts used cardinal directions as the basic form in their speech, as opposed to (most languages use egocentric ones, left and right etc). This, apparently explains how they could build such straight roads.

    If Celtic was a cardinal direction language this would make it unique amongst Indo-European languages.

    There is also a load of speculation about the etymology of Continental Celtic place names (Gaul) aligned to these claims, which is not a good sign.

    He gets the ancient languages of the Spanish peninsula pretty wonky, dividing them essentially between Celtic and Iberian, not citing CeltiIberian, and other languages of the area which make any assertions about the linguistic pattern of the area very shaky indeed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberian_language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanian_language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessian_language

    Andrew Coates

    April 13, 2014 at 10:31 am


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