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Respect Party Leading Figure: Was the Bad Guy Hitler? What have the Jews done good in this world??”

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Respect Party’s New Publication.

Naz Kahn is the Respect Party’s new Woman’s Officer.

Here are some of her views, as relayed through Harry’s Place from her Facebook comments.

“It’s such a shame that the history teachers in our school never taught us this but they are the first to start brainwashing us and our children into thinking the bad guy was Hitler. What have the Jews done good in this world??”

Naz Kahn responds to a criticism – on 2 October:

Anne! Stop beating a dead horse. The Jews have reaped the rewards of playing victims. enough is enough!! A phrase comes to mind, “treat others in the same way you would like to be treated”. Allah-hu-Akbar!!!!

More Here.

Strangely the Respect site says not a dicky bird about this.

Though the Jewish Chronicle says that now, like so many neo-Nazis, she’s had a change of heart,

“Since joining Respect and talking with George and other leading figures, she now deeply regrets and repudiates that posting,” he said. “And, as any view later in the thread will confirm, she has praised seminal Jewish figures.”

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Written by Andrew Coates

October 27, 2012 at 10:11 am

43 Responses

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  1. What staggers me is that someone, from purportedly a Left wing party, could be comfortable with making such comments. Those views represent the most vilest Jew hatred and Nazi apologetic sympathies imaginable. If the Respect Party’s Woman’s Officer was comfortable in making these comments publicly. on Twitter, to her friends it shows what kind of culture she is surrounded with. It shows that she and her friends and comrades accept Jew hatred as being the norm and that there is no reluctance and no need to restrain their vile racism and Nazi supporting propaganda since they expect nobody to criticise or sanction them for it. The disappointment for me, as a Leftie all my life, is that this is where the Left has now gone, at least in this country. Respect, the SWP, and some sections of the Labour Party and Liberal Demcrats have a relaxed view of Jew hatred and Nazism because they are more afraid of being accused of Islamophobia if they criticise the source. This will not do do. Racism is still racism from wherever it comes.

    Graham B

    October 27, 2012 at 10:54 am

  2. Believe you me Graham I am as about hard left as you can get. I do not acccept comments like these for one minute, and I am in a position to make the position clear: le fascisme ne passera pas!

    Andrew Coates

    October 27, 2012 at 11:15 am

  3. I wonder what the re-education process was? “Don’t say these things on Facebook – just quietly among ourselves”. Can you imagine anyone making similar comments about Muslims or about blacks being allowed to stay in post – however much they said they knew better now. Respect – the party which ignorant bigots can not just join but become office holders.

    Moderator

    October 27, 2012 at 11:52 am

  4. Sorry -that’s “Rosie” not “Moderator” – I’m not trying to sieze power at your site!

    Rosie

    October 27, 2012 at 11:53 am

  5. Respect – what do they represent now in the first place?

    A claque around Galloway.

    I hardly find it odd that people make this kind of comment: I have heard similar from people from a ‘Troofer’ background as well as a certain kind of Islamist.

    Andrew Coates

    October 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm

  6. I think you mean ‘clique’ Andrew? I believe that a ‘claque’ is a collective noun for a small group of quacking ducks. Oh, hold on a minute…

    uplandtrout

    October 27, 2012 at 12:12 pm

  7. I certainly meant claque: “A claque is an organised body of professional applauders in French theatres and opera houses. Members of a claque are called claqueurs.”

    By extension, professional applauders

    The collective noun for members of Respect is “a murder of claqueurs”

    Andrew Coates

    October 27, 2012 at 12:18 pm

  8. Can you imagine a senior figure in the Conservative party making such comments and not having the whip removed?
    Even the LibDems had had enough of the malodorous Tonge.
    However, if you look at the Greens-Reds-Blacks-Browns, or at some sections of the Labour party, they express views that may be couched in more roundabout terms but the essence is close enough.

    Leah

    October 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm

  9. Anybody who is surprised to find Muslims saying things like this is utterly naive. Persecution of Jews has always been part of the islamic agenda, it is in the Koran and it is behind the Islamic loathing of Israel. The Arab League was allied with the Nazis in World War 2 and supported the policy of genocide then. It has never renounced it or retreated from it since either. The repeated, public statements of countless Muslim leaders have been anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.
    When lefties jump on any criticism of Islam and compare it to anti-Semitism they are just showing how ignorant they are. Islam is anti-semitic. The so-called prophet Mohammed massacred Jews by the thousand and his successors have inherited his agenda.
    What have Jews ever done for the world? Well they have won far more Nobel prizes per capita than any other group of people and certainly far more than the Pakistanis or Arabs, (who are by the way the most racist people in the world). And before you ask me, no I am not Jewish myself.
    But I think the Respect party is vile and any alliance between the left and Islam is laughable nonsense.

    Harriet Hume

    October 27, 2012 at 6:33 pm

  10. The leaders of the Awami League are Muslims, and they are some of them are amongst the best fighters for secularism.

    Andrew Coates

    October 28, 2012 at 11:58 am

  11. Andrew, thank you for your reply. One thought I have had is that given Respect was prepared to boot Abul “Abs” Hussain out of the party two years ago for anti-semitism but is not now prepared to take similar action against Naz Kahn, this seems to demonstrate how far Jew hatred has percolated through the far-Left during this period. As I said before, it now seems acceptable to be a Jew Hater and leading figures on the Left have made anti-Jewish remarks, they have associated with those who preach violence against Jews, such as Hamas and Hezbollah. If you are Jewish, like myself, you see continually anti-Jewish propaganda and hate in the UK. Sometimes this hatred is dressed up as anti-Zionism ( one of the few nationalist movements the left doesn’t support and make excuses for) but increasingly over the last few years the blurring of anti-Zionism and old-fashioned Jew hatred has been removed; a good example is, in fact, the topic of this post.

    Have a look at this essay from Colin Schindler in the NYT. Although I do not agree with all his points there is a lot of value in it:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/europes-trouble-with-jews.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1351425699-aoKFV

    Graham B

    October 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm

  12. Anyone have any idea how many members Respect has these days? For them to have selected this clearly clueless young woman as their party Women’s Officer, ostensibly a few days after she first joined the organisation (!), suggests that they don’t have a very large pool of talent from which to choose their officers.

    Francis

    October 28, 2012 at 5:48 pm

  13. Francis I suspect you are right.

    You obviously have experience of real politics!

    It’s like when my sister briefly joined the Scargill SLP (I think she paid her dues for about 6 months), and they suddenly wanted her to be the Birmingham rep for women’s issues.

    Andrew Coates

    October 29, 2012 at 12:40 pm

  14. Graham, Jew hatred has not permeated this site: bastion of the hard left!

    I would add, that, I am opposed to the Israeli state and take a position similar to my comrades in Jewish Socialist and the Weekly Worker.

    But that would not add much to what anybody knows.

    Andrew Coates

    October 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm

  15. “Real politics?” No, this is surreal politics, of which I have had much too much experience over the years… ;)

    Francis

    October 29, 2012 at 2:05 pm

  16. I would treat anything relayed by Harry’s Place with extreme caution. If, however, it can be proved without doubt that Ms Khan is responsible for anti-Jewish statements such as those presented here, then Respect has an awful lot to answer for, and I feel that all left-wingers remaining in Respect should challenge the leadership on this issue, and if the leadership does nothing, then they should withdraw from the organisation.

    Dr Paul

    October 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm

  17. I think as a result of ‘the Arab Spring’, many Muslims are emboldened to say what they may have not said before. This girl is obviously an arse, but then that is probably true of most of the people in Respect. I suspect there is a lack of a pool of talent which is why she is the National Womens’ Officer, but she doesn’t understand the backstory to Respect.

    Sue R

    October 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm

  18. Obviously but this is signed and not denied.

    I am extremely hostile to the government of Israel, which they, to say the least, are not.

    But as primarily a European leftist my main concern is what happens here.

    Andrew Coates

    October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm

  19. Has it been established that Ms Khan’s statements are kosher and not a fabrication?

    Dr Paul

    October 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm

  20. They have not been denied.

    Personally I think we now have the Lyndon LaRouche moment for Respect (see latest post).

    Andrew Coates

    October 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm

  21. I think Ms Khan’s FB posts are absolutely beyond the pale. However Michael Ezra’s twitter post attempting to connect this position to Galloway is disingenuous. Galloway has always condemned anti-Semitism. Witness the many callers to his phone-in on Press TV (both Zionists and anti-semitic Muslims) who attempt to bait him into anti-Semitic statements. He always steadfastly holds to his anti-racist positions. Hopefully Ms Khan HAS seen the error of her ways and will admit that she was wrong (which she appears to have done). I very much doubt that Mark Regev will ever admit that equating anti-Zionism (or opposition to the state of Israel) with anti-Semitism is an exact reflection of the same kind of idiocy.

    Ieuan Einion

    October 30, 2012 at 5:24 pm

  22. ‘Can you imagine anyone making similar comments about Muslims’ says the moderator. ‘Anybody who is surprised to find Muslims saying things like this is utterly naive. Persecution of Jews has always been part of the islamic agenda, it is in the Koran and it is behind the Islamic loathing of Israel’ says Harriet Hume in reply. Make your own mind up.

    Patrick Murphy

    October 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  23. I see leuan Einon has said that “Michael Ezra’s twitter post attempting to connect this position to Galloway is disingenuous.Galloway has always condemned anti-Semitism.” Ignoring the truth or otherwise of Galloway, leuan has misreprsented me.

    The Twitter conversation can be seen here. The exact words in my relevant Tweet were as follows:

    Word of the day via @Pabloite: Claque – a group of persons hired to applaud an act or performer. Claque around Galloway http://bit.ly/PjcbEZ

    The internet link leads directly to this post. All I had done, as should be obvious to anyone bar leuan, is to bring people’s attention to an unusual word that Andrew Coates used in this thread (October 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm ) and defined (October 27, 2012 at 12:18 pm). If I had done anything wrong – it was not to put inverted commas around “Claque around Galloway.” The only reason I omitted the inverted commas was because of the 140 character limit on Tweets. This is not unusual given that restriction and I believe that any person with a modicum of intelligence would realise that by referring to @Pabloite and to linking to this post, I was not trying to take credit for the word.

    I will add, possibly as a mitigating factor, to leuan’s baseless allegation against me, is that when I linked to this post, Twitter provides a preview of this page. Hence what can be seen by looking at my Tweet would be Andrew Coates’s used picture at the top of this post “Le Peril Juif.” But that has nothing to do with me.

    Michael Ezra

    October 31, 2012 at 10:43 am

  24. The picture Le Peril Juif was meant as a provocation, obviously a succesful one!

    Micheal, claque is not rare word in French. In its normal sense une claque is a slap.

    It got its theatrical use in the 19th century, and was used in English.

    In Balzac’s Illusions perdues, notably in the bit (part 11) Un Grand homme de province à Paris – an all time favourite novel (said by Oscar Wilde as one the best ever writtten) – la claque plays an important part.

    Obviously I’ve been reading too many 19th century novels.

    Better though than reading…hey how does Galloway actually write?

    Andrew Coates

    October 31, 2012 at 12:33 pm

  25. Andrew, I have not read that novel by Balzac, but I did like the word claque, On the subject of 19th Century French novels, I am currently finishing reading Zola’s “Germinal.” I would guess that you have read it, but in the event you haven’t, I would think it is one that you would very much enjoy. The scene in part V of the striking and starving miners and their wives running rampage through French mining towns on the look out for scabs that they wish to kill and meanwhile chanting, “We want bread” would appeal to the socialist in you. It is a truly remarkable book. My only regret is that I did not read it years ago.

    Michael Ezra

    October 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm

  26. It is intensely moving. Some years back I gave an English translation to a friend and he had the same judgement as you.

    Andrew Coates

    October 31, 2012 at 12:55 pm

  27. I found it difficult to believe that this individual has been a member of a left party for a month and is now the Womens officer. Without wishing to underestimate the talents of the said individual this is really scraping the proverbial barrel isn’t it?
    BTW is the SU site down or am I just barred?

    Tigger

    November 1, 2012 at 1:40 am

  28. I am barred from this ‘unity’ site, According to Facebook friends at least 20 people have had their comments deleted recently.

    Andrew Coates

    November 1, 2012 at 12:08 pm

  29. Thanks Andrew I suspected as much. This is not the place to comment but I think it is pretty sad they resort to censoring dissident opinion.

    Tigger

    November 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm

  30. I don’t think, in the main, that comments get deleted from Socialist Unity, some just don’t appear.

    From the drift that the site has taken recently I don’t understand why Andy Newman has not joined the CPB rather than the Labour Party. (Actually I do, it’s to do with the size of fish and ponds in Swindon, neither of which can be said to be large, but, then, small differences matter to the politically ambitious.)

    Pinkie

    November 10, 2012 at 11:44 pm

  31. Well I know that Newman is not liked at all on the Labour Left so his ambitions must be rather wistful. I wonder as well what his relations with the local Labour Party are. I know the party here pretty well and get on with them – it’s probably a similar kind of place – and would not presume half the stuff he comes out with.

    Andrew Coates

    November 11, 2012 at 11:48 am

  32. @ Dr Paul

    “I would treat anything relayed by Harry’s Place with extreme caution. If, however, it can be proved without doubt that Ms Khan is responsible for anti-Jewish statements such as those presented here, then Respect has an awful lot to answer for”

    It HAS been proven, with visible evidence of the revolting posts themselves.

    “Has it been established that Ms Khan’s statements are kosher and not a fabrication?”

    Yes it has. In numerous mainstream media outlets, not just Harry’s Place.You can see this from some elementary googling.

    HP is down at the moment, but when it is back up you will be able to see screen shots of the actual posts.

    Lamia

    December 2, 2012 at 4:46 pm

  33. Lamia, what is happening with HP at the moment?

    As to Khan’s statements: there is evidence for them all over the MSM.

    Leah

    December 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm

  34. Andrew,
    “I am opposed to the Israeli state” – does that mean that you don’t think the Jewish people should have their own state?

    Leah

    December 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm

  35. No – I am in favour of the ‘two states’ solution for reasons which would take pages and pages to defend.

    Rewording this simply I would say I am opposed to the “actually existing Israeli state” which has extended itself over the occupied territories.

    Andrew Coates

    December 3, 2012 at 1:30 pm

  36. Leah,

    HP is just back up, although seemingly simultaneously Liberal Conspiracy appears to have gone down. Perhaps the vandals have nmoved on to another target.

    In any case, for Dr Paul and any other ‘sceptics’:

    http://hurryupharry.org/2012/10/26/respect-wont-dismiss-nazi-loving-womens-officer-naz-kahn/

    The visible proof is there in blue and white.

    Lamia

    December 3, 2012 at 4:41 pm

  37. “Rewording this simply I would say I am opposed to the “actually existing Israeli state” which has extended itself over the occupied territories”

    Then, since Israel has done this in self-defence, you are just a common or garden antisemite using slick phraseology.

    Leah

    December 3, 2012 at 5:10 pm

  38. Va te faire foutre Leah.

    Andrew Coates

    December 4, 2012 at 12:57 pm

  39. Mon Dieu! a false allegation of antisemitism and against Andrew Coates too. How low can you go?

    levi9909

    December 5, 2012 at 4:03 am

  40. Dits donc, je suis entouré de mes meilleures amis !

    Andrew Coates

    December 5, 2012 at 5:07 pm

  41. I call them as I see them, and I have provided reasons. All AC can do is swear in French, which I don’t claim to speak. All I will say is: Go fuck yourself.

    Leah

    December 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm

  42. He doesn’t just swear in French. If you followed the link I posted you’d see he also falsely alleges antisermitism in english same as you do

    levi9909

    December 7, 2012 at 2:50 am

    1. Answer: No, No and NO I don’t.

      Oh and yes I use French.

      In case you had not noticed this Blog has a French name, a play on ‘Tendance’ – tendency, and ‘tendance’ – trendy. Indeed one of its prime aims to is broadcast information and comment about the Francophone left.

      The post you are talking about Levi inspired widespread comments here and on other blogs.

      Many supported the view expressed which you dislike.

      Many others, like yourself, strongly disagreed.

      This was some months ago, June in fact.

      Nothing new is being said about this.

      This thread is now exhausted and will be met with an Andy Newman response if you continue.

      If you want to continue why do you not directly exchange messages?

      Meanwhile we have other issues to talk about, from the Maghreb to the Mashriq.

    Andrew Coates

    December 7, 2012 at 10:59 am


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